More Monckton invention: what Myles Allen didn’t say

by Gareth on April 11, 2013

Poor old Chris. The discount Viscount has not been having a happy time with the New Zealand press, as my Sciblogs colleague Peter Griffin noted in Monckton’s nightmare week in New Zealand last week. According to the Waikato TImes, he may even be about to hang up his sceptic spurs1. He was given a much more gentle ride by the SunLive news web site in Tauranga, who were pleased to give him a chance to continue to misrepresent and misdirect in a video interview posted yesterday. As ever, I watched it so you wouldn’t have to…

Here’s Monckton putting words in the mouth of Myles Allen:

Interestingly, Dr Myles Allen from Oxford University, who’s been right in the tank for the extremist presentations of how much [warming] we might see, he’s been saying, ooh, we’re going to get 5ºC of warming for sure. He came out just last week and said – no, that can’t be right, with 17 – 23 years without any global warming at all then we’re looking more at perhaps a maximum of 2ºC warming over this century, and that, frankly, is not enough to do any particular damage.

Two degrees “not enough to do any particular damage” is (of course) complete nonsense, but it is the words the potty peer puts in Myles Allen’s mouth that are the flat out inventions. Monckton is probably referring to a piece of David Rose tosh in the Daily Mail that so grievously misrepresented Allen’s views that he took the time to pen a reply for The Guardian. Here’s what Allen has to say about likely warming this century:

…even if the “climate sensitivity” is as low as 2C, as some lines of evidence now suggest, we would still be looking at 4C plus by the early 22nd century.

The reason is that there is plenty of fossil carbon down there, and we keep finding more: the Japanese have just demonstrated how to mine sub-ocean methane clathrates. And as other carbon pools fill up, an increasing fraction of the carbon we dump in the atmosphere stays there, in effect, forever (unless our grandchildren decide to pump it out again).

In other words, Monckton is badly misrepresenting Allen’s views, and presumably hoping that no-one down here in little old New Zealand will notice. Just like he was hoping that no-one would notice his lies about the Arctic. No doubt the Flat Earth Society will approve of his tactics…

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bill April 11, 2013 at 10:04 pm

His dismal run in the NZ Media has also been noted here – it’s worth reading right to the end!

So; pretty-well ignored in Oz, and canned by the Kiwis! Not much in the way of a Great Antipodean Progress, then… 😉

John Russell April 11, 2013 at 10:13 pm

Myles Allen is well featured in the link below to an ITV new story. There’s absolutely no way he can be interpreted as saying “not enough to do any particular damage”. I hope it’s not ‘territory limited’ you can see all the film inserts in NZ (well worth watching):

Rob Taylor April 12, 2013 at 2:13 am
Dave Frame April 12, 2013 at 9:40 am

Here’s something Myles actually did say on recent warming in Nature GeoScience a fortnight ago:

bill April 12, 2013 at 10:23 am

Unfortunately I only get 3 sentences of that letter before hitting the paywall, Dave.

However, it appears to have been summed-up by The Guardian here. Allen is quoted, as well as the paper. Quite the coup!

Macro April 12, 2013 at 2:33 pm

In the case of the discount getting it wrong – it’s probably what is know as Fractal Wrongness: – Just about sums him up really.

Rob Taylor April 13, 2013 at 10:07 am


On a related topic, I’m trying to locate an anti-denial slide that shows half-a-dozen indicator graphs (SLR, OHC, Arctic ice, etc) with key areas crossed out in red with the exhortation “Don’t Look Here!”

Does anyone have a link to that slide, and the original it was based on?

bill April 13, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Rob Taylor April 13, 2013 at 6:30 pm

:-) Thanks, Bill!

bill April 17, 2013 at 7:23 pm

And there’s a new graphic that goes with that one, as per t’other Rob.

Thomas April 15, 2013 at 7:57 am

This is what you get if the Moncktonians have their way: A dysfunctional ETFS leading to this:
More methane belchers and less trees and a further investment into a type of agriculture that is likely not fitting the type of climate we will call then new norm. Where will the summer water come from to water these pastures?
When will have have an ETFS that actually achieves the changes in our short term economic maneuvering necessary to move into the right direction?

bill April 15, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Thomas April 15, 2013 at 5:00 pm

Oh this is delightful! At first I thought this was a joke meant to be, well, a joke…. But while that would have added some distraction to the day, it daunts after a brief while that that website is actually for real: The cuckoo’s nest of them all:
I wonder if the above listed ‘luminaries’ are actually aware of their names being used on this website? Their ‘Publications’ section is source of much fun…
What a HOOT! 😉

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