People talkin’ #3

Here’s another open thread — your chance to expatiate, expound and expand on the climate-related topics of the day, whatever they may be, without risk of being declared off topic or otherwise out of place.

10 thoughts on “People talkin’ #3”

  1. Duh, Joe, you seem to have missed the whole point of the cartoon you linked to…. let me take you through it one step at a time.

    Over the last few decades, climate scientists have investigated and ruled out alternative explanations for the observed global warming; its not the sun, cosmic rays, urban heat islands, etc, etc.

    So what does mining professor and pathological liar Ian Plimer declare to be the cause? Nothing less than magic invisible undersea volcanoes!

    If you check out the last panel of the cartoon and consult your dog-eared copy of “Heaven + Earth”, you may get the joke eventually.

  2. LOL!! Clearly the joke’s on you Robint. You’ve completely missed it haven’t you. Go back and have another look and THINK about it. That’s probably something new to you, but give it a go anyway.

    Here’s a clue: The causal links between green jellie beans and acne; and between Man’s CO2 emissions and globull warming/climate change/climate disruption/climate challenges/…. (insert fashionable new term here) are the same: uttterly tenuous to non-existent.

  3. This is in response to Bill’s ridiculous comment where he claims I said fascism was socialist. I would like to leave the comment, but it contains too many crazy assertions to go left unchallenged.

    First off,

    “If China was a fascist state it would have rolled through several of its neighbours by now”

    I said the one child policy was an example of a fascist law. This does not make China a fascist state. Indeed such things exist on a spectrum, as that post discussed, and are not black and white. Anyhow, aggression is not a characteristic of fascism, how many nations did Franco invade?

    Now, the fascism.

    I said “Its extreme right wing only on an axis that compares individual rights (not free market policies)”

    So any axis that compares socialism to capitalism does not have a place for fascism – it is on a separate axis. Yet you spend most of your post attacking the free market and how I supposedly said fascism was socialist.

    Wikipedia sums it up well, “Fascism was founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the right in the early 1920s”

    “Fascism is anti-communist, anti-democratic, anti-individualist, anti-liberal, anti-parliamentary, anti-bourgeois and anti-proletarian, anti-conservative on certain issues, and in a number of cases anti-capitalist”

    Finally, you go on to defend the one child law.

    “It would be the right of Chinese individuals – and therefore an inherent good – to have to have as many children as they like, I gather? And these individuals would thrive greatly in a nation with … 2 billion [people]?”

    First lets cast our attention to the list of nations by population density,

    China has a less dense population than that totally un-thriving and overpopulated nation of Switzerland. Almost half of the UK, and less than a third of South Korea.

    Yet the people of China do not have the freedom to enjoy the wonders of having a family of children, having brothers or sisters, uncles and aunties, etc.

    Sorry, Bill, but I am unapologetic in my defense of liberty. I do not support a law that impedes the basic human right of having a family. I do not believe the ends justifies the means, or that even the end is justified to begin with. I believe that humans will continue to produce more from less, and the population rise that this allows should be celebrated not feared – every human who is borne should be valued as another vibrant soul brought into the world. Talk of population limitation and reduction to me is a very dangerous notion, and is actually the bigger worry. Implementing such a policy would result in untold suffering for no good reason.

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