Well, it's now been 4 days since our last exchange on this subject, and the follow up list of sustainable solutions that I have offered for consideration in this forum has generated ZERO responses.

I have only one conclusion to draw from this lack of substance emerging from either side in this debate – James Lovelock is correct about human nature.

With all due respect Bryan, in spite of our mutual efforts, the evidence suggests that the vast majority of humans have already retreated from engagement with the holistic message of triple-bottom-line science, and do not share a real concern for future generations when compared to the overriding desire for short term gratification through continued exploitation of diminishing natural resources…

Terry

I had a little time drop by to find your comment,, and I must say the immediate thought in my mind at reading it was hey, where were you in 2000 when Singularity hit the mainstream of human consciousness..?

Around my workplace folks would nod sagely at this question addressed to them, perhaps one of them assist with a tart — in short pants!

To wit, a pithy, prompt and polite response from me, bill, would be hard to find. BTW it is not literacy you need so much as brains.

Bandersdad — since your comment appears close to my earlier comment @ May 3, 2010 at 4:56 pm , can I take it that the ‘you’ in You have a marketing problem applies also to me. (bill being right and all, heh heh).

Some interesting literacy here, namely that marketing in your purview is not necessarily a matter of communication/s.

Which leads me to ask you which marketing are you refering to.? Is it the English dictionary defined marketing or the shadow marketing?

The former, as you concede, can and often does fail: whereas the latter never fails!

Well, it's now been 4 days since our last exchange on this subject, and the follow up list of sustainable solutions that I have offered for consideration in this forum has generated ZERO responses.

I have only one conclusion to draw from this lack of substance emerging from either side in this debate – James Lovelock is correct about human nature.

With all due respect Bryan, in spite of our mutual efforts, the evidence suggests that the vast majority of humans have already retreated from engagement with the holistic message of triple-bottom-line science, and do not share a real concern for future generations when compared to the overriding desire for short term gratification through continued exploitation of diminishing natural resources…

Terry

The \”hearts and minds\” of the public are generally convinced of the need to do something. What's proposed is modest, despite your scary assertions to the contrary. If we don't start now, it will be more expensive to act later. That's true for NZ, it's also true for the world at large. Delay is no solution, it just makes the final price we pay much, much higher.

In NZ's case, it will go to electricity companies and forestry owners with no guarantee that emissions will be reduced.

Furthermore, a part of this expense will be taken up by the bureaucracy required to administer the scheme. The real gains, however, are for the carbon traders, such as Mr Gore, and for the scammers. CO2 is a scammers dream, because it is literally trading in thin air.

So we don't really have much of a show "winning the hearts and minds of the public" The only realistic choice is coercion and propaganda.

Which is precisely what is happening.

Now that other reasonable participants have acknowleged your truth about self-centered human nature, I would be interested in your response to my previous list of (3) possible sustainable options, only one of which potentially results in preserving anything close to existing civilization – "Develop a voluntary scheme to preserve ecosystem services that immediately benefits a majority of existing humans around the world.

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