Comments on: Source for the goose: footnotes to history http://hot-topic.co.nz/source-for-the-goose-footnotes-to-history/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=source-for-the-goose-footnotes-to-history Global warming and the future of New Zealand Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:00:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Rob Taylor http://hot-topic.co.nz/source-for-the-goose-footnotes-to-history/comment-page-1/#comment-9779 Rob Taylor Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:12:38 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3914#comment-9779 Wishart, never having been to university or had any scientific training, appears to have a cargo-cult view of science - if it looks "scientific" enough (e.g. has footnotes) perhaps it'll fool people... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult Wishart, never having been to university or had any scientific training, appears to have a cargo-cult view of science – if it looks “scientific” enough (e.g. has footnotes) perhaps it’ll fool people…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

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]]> By: Gareth http://hot-topic.co.nz/source-for-the-goose-footnotes-to-history/comment-page-1/#comment-9773 Gareth Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:31:29 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3914#comment-9773 I do note with interest that almost every comment thread includes something from one of the usual suspects trying to change the subject or just derail the discussion. It's a deliberate policy,as far as I can see. I was staggered that Wishart would be daft enough to include a link to LaRouche stuff. It's one thing to mine it for material, it's quite another to admit to it. Perhaps he thinks that nobody checks footnotes, and that the more there are the better (and to a certain extent, he's right in both respects -- until someone checks up...). I do note with interest that almost every comment thread includes something from one of the usual suspects trying to change the subject or just derail the discussion. It’s a deliberate policy,as far as I can see.

I was staggered that Wishart would be daft enough to include a link to LaRouche stuff. It’s one thing to mine it for material, it’s quite another to admit to it. Perhaps he thinks that nobody checks footnotes, and that the more there are the better (and to a certain extent, he’s right in both respects — until someone checks up…).

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]]> By: Mike C http://hot-topic.co.nz/source-for-the-goose-footnotes-to-history/comment-page-1/#comment-9770 Mike C Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:20:20 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3914#comment-9770 Bandersdad - interesting point. Perhaps effective communication and discussion is limited by comments quickly going off topic. In which case... Despite his penchant for junk science, I was still surprised Wishart would see LaRouche as credible. Their British royal family conspiracy theory makes most other conspiracy theorists seem quite rational. Bandersdad – interesting point. Perhaps effective communication and discussion is limited by comments quickly going off topic. In which case…

Despite his penchant for junk science, I was still surprised Wishart would see LaRouche as credible. Their British royal family conspiracy theory makes most other conspiracy theorists seem quite rational.

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]]> By: Bandersdad http://hot-topic.co.nz/source-for-the-goose-footnotes-to-history/comment-page-1/#comment-9766 Bandersdad Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:52:14 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3914#comment-9766 And so it was... And so it was…

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]]> By: Bandersdad http://hot-topic.co.nz/source-for-the-goose-footnotes-to-history/comment-page-1/#comment-9753 Bandersdad Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:42:19 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3914#comment-9753 I wonder if there are studies on the dynamics of Blogs. Guess there are. It occurs to me that they're great ways to place information on the table and absolutely awful at anything else. Information and communication are ultimately everything. Blogs succeed at the first and only appear to succeed at the second. Worse though is that I suspect we beleive they do both, thereby losing the opportunity to communicate but worse still moving forward on the assumption that we have. I'd be interested in your thoughts. I wonder if there are studies on the dynamics of Blogs. Guess there are. It occurs to me that they’re great ways to place information on the table and absolutely awful at anything else.
Information and communication are ultimately everything. Blogs succeed at the first and only appear to succeed at the second. Worse though is that I suspect we beleive they do both, thereby losing the opportunity to communicate but worse still moving forward on the assumption that we have.
I’d be interested in your thoughts.

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]]> By: Bryan Walker http://hot-topic.co.nz/source-for-the-goose-footnotes-to-history/comment-page-1/#comment-9751 Bryan Walker Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:16:30 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3914#comment-9751 Mr News: Do you really think that the GISS scientists engaged in temperature measurement overlook such a simple issue as urban heat? I know the denialist industry keep asserting that they do, but if you can be bothered looking at something like James Hansen's recent <a href = "http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2010/20100115_Temperature2009.pdf" rel="nofollow"> paper </a> you'll see that there's no basis to that assertion. And since you probably won't bother looking at his paper, or anything else that contradicts your fantasies, I've extracted a relevant sentence for you: "The GISS temperature analysis corrects for urban effects by adjusting the long‐term trends of urban stations to be consistent with the trends at nearby rural stations, with urban locations identified either by population or satellite‐observed night lights." Mr News:

Do you really think that the GISS scientists engaged in temperature measurement overlook such a simple issue as urban heat? I know the denialist industry keep asserting that they do, but if you can be bothered looking at something like James Hansen’s recent paper you’ll see that there’s no basis to that assertion. And since you probably won’t bother looking at his paper, or anything else that contradicts your fantasies, I’ve extracted a relevant sentence for you:
“The GISS temperature analysis corrects for urban effects by adjusting the long‐term trends of urban stations to be consistent with the trends at nearby rural stations, with urban locations identified either by population or satellite‐observed night lights.”

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]]> By: MR NEWS http://hot-topic.co.nz/source-for-the-goose-footnotes-to-history/comment-page-1/#comment-9748 MR NEWS Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:36:59 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3914#comment-9748 GISS uses land based recording instruments in the Urban Heat Islands, it's pretty easy to say how hot it is when you're recording temperature at airports with huge black runways absorbing all the heat from the sun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM_yGD0mVKU MR NEWS www.guerillamedia.co.nz GISS uses land based recording instruments in the Urban Heat Islands, it’s pretty easy to say how hot it is when you’re recording temperature at airports with huge black runways absorbing all the heat from the sun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM_yGD0mVKU
MR NEWS
http://www.guerillamedia.co.nz

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]]> By: C3P0 http://hot-topic.co.nz/source-for-the-goose-footnotes-to-history/comment-page-1/#comment-9731 C3P0 Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:10:16 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3914#comment-9731 "seeing as thermometers are pretty easy to read" Yes because this is all there is to the GISS temperature series, read the thermomenter each day and report the temp. I agree that sat temps have a margin of error as well. “seeing as thermometers are pretty easy to read”

Yes because this is all there is to the GISS temperature series, read the thermomenter each day and report the temp.

I agree that sat temps have a margin of error as well.

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]]> By: Bandersdad http://hot-topic.co.nz/source-for-the-goose-footnotes-to-history/comment-page-1/#comment-9730 Bandersdad Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:19:53 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3914#comment-9730 Meanwhile. Meanwhile. Meanwhile. Nice. Meanwhile.
Meanwhile.
Meanwhile.
Nice.

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]]> By: Rob Taylor http://hot-topic.co.nz/source-for-the-goose-footnotes-to-history/comment-page-1/#comment-9722 Rob Taylor Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:12:15 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3914#comment-9722 Thanks. DW, for a handy precis of the satellite data issues. Thanks. DW, for a handy precis of the satellite data issues.

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