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		<title>By: Climate Conversation Group &#187; Perrott pouts a porky</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/sorry-seems-to-be-the-hardest-word/comment-page-1/#comment-10986</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Conversation Group &#187; Perrott pouts a porky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] see now that two days ago Ken Perrott made a short but incorrect comment at Hot Topic which should be rebutted: My comments at Treadgoldâ€™s blog are now [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] see now that two days ago Ken Perrott made a short but incorrect comment at Hot Topic which should be rebutted: My comments at Treadgoldâ€™s blog are now [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/sorry-seems-to-be-the-hardest-word/comment-page-1/#comment-10948</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may have something to say about Poneke&#039;s latest post, which describes me as  &quot;New Zealandâ€™s foremost promoter of global warming&quot; and accuses Bryan, Ken and myself of &quot;sneering, anti-science ranting&quot;. Some irony there, perhaps...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have something to say about Poneke&#8217;s latest post, which describes me as  &#8220;New Zealandâ€™s foremost promoter of global warming&#8221; and accuses Bryan, Ken and myself of &#8220;sneering, anti-science ranting&#8221;. Some irony there, perhaps&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Stewart</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/sorry-seems-to-be-the-hardest-word/comment-page-1/#comment-10947</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He could always talk to Poneke:
http://poneke.wordpress.com/
Wow, the guy is really pushing the boat out by aligning himelf with Ian Wishart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He could always talk to Poneke:<br />
<a href="http://poneke.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://poneke.wordpress.com/</a><br />
Wow, the guy is really pushing the boat out by aligning himelf with Ian Wishart.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/sorry-seems-to-be-the-hardest-word/comment-page-1/#comment-10946</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are probably right, Andrew - in fact I did feel guilty of debating him as tjust one debater may have caused a huge increase in traffic there.

Still, I did get some interesting statements from him - which are useful.  And his censorship gives me a good reason to keep away. Things do seem to be very quiet there now, though. 

Perhaps he might even miss me, or the excitement I provided.

The word you are thinking of possibly relates somehow to masturbation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are probably right, Andrew &#8211; in fact I did feel guilty of debating him as tjust one debater may have caused a huge increase in traffic there.</p>
<p>Still, I did get some interesting statements from him &#8211; which are useful.  And his censorship gives me a good reason to keep away. Things do seem to be very quiet there now, though. </p>
<p>Perhaps he might even miss me, or the excitement I provided.</p>
<p>The word you are thinking of possibly relates somehow to masturbation.</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewH</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/sorry-seems-to-be-the-hardest-word/comment-page-1/#comment-10945</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ken

I&#039;m surprised Richard has deleted your stuff - he must be back to a one man conversation again (there must be a word for that!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ken</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised Richard has deleted your stuff &#8211; he must be back to a one man conversation again (there must be a word for that!).</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Taylor</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/sorry-seems-to-be-the-hardest-word/comment-page-1/#comment-10917</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, are you telling us there&#039;s more wrong with Treadgold and his mates than just innumeracy, ignorance and stupidity?

Heavens to Betsy, how could I have been so taken in??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, are you telling us there&#8217;s more wrong with Treadgold and his mates than just innumeracy, ignorance and stupidity?</p>
<p>Heavens to Betsy, how could I have been so taken in??</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/sorry-seems-to-be-the-hardest-word/comment-page-1/#comment-10907</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, thanks for that. You really have shown the patience of a saint in your dealings with Treadgold.

[PS: I wonder if there&#039;s not a &quot;Coalitiongate&quot; story in this somewhere... ;-) ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, thanks for that. You really have shown the patience of a saint in your dealings with Treadgold.</p>
<p>[PS: I wonder if there's not a "Coalitiongate" story in this somewhere... <img src='http://hot-topic.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ]</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/sorry-seems-to-be-the-hardest-word/comment-page-1/#comment-10902</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despicable indeed - but who can be surprised?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despicable indeed &#8211; but who can be surprised?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/sorry-seems-to-be-the-hardest-word/comment-page-1/#comment-10900</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comments at Treadgold&#039;s blog are now deleted. I think he thought this necessary when my last comment mentioned the link between his organisations, the ACT Party and the local right wing think tank The Centre for Political Research. The latter is also linked to the usual overseas conservative organisations like The Heartland Institute and conservative media like The American Thinker.

Anyway, behind the scenes I had been communicating with Richard and Vincent Gray by email. Trying to get clarification on the &quot;paper&quot;, their methodology and the degree of scientific input.

Besides being told that Richard has a &quot;ascientific team&quot; which wishes to remain anonymous - no luck.

A specific request for information on methodology and/or their spreadsheet was at first agreed and then denied. And they have the cheek to make malicious FOI request to NIWA!

If any reader is interested I have collated the emails and they can be downloaded at &lt;a href=&quot;http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/emails.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;emails&lt;/a&gt;. They provide an indication of the dishonesty, manouvering and outright lying these people go in for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comments at Treadgold&#8217;s blog are now deleted. I think he thought this necessary when my last comment mentioned the link between his organisations, the ACT Party and the local right wing think tank The Centre for Political Research. The latter is also linked to the usual overseas conservative organisations like The Heartland Institute and conservative media like The American Thinker.</p>
<p>Anyway, behind the scenes I had been communicating with Richard and Vincent Gray by email. Trying to get clarification on the &#8220;paper&#8221;, their methodology and the degree of scientific input.</p>
<p>Besides being told that Richard has a &#8220;ascientific team&#8221; which wishes to remain anonymous &#8211; no luck.</p>
<p>A specific request for information on methodology and/or their spreadsheet was at first agreed and then denied. And they have the cheek to make malicious FOI request to NIWA!</p>
<p>If any reader is interested I have collated the emails and they can be downloaded at <a href="http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/emails.pdf" rel="nofollow">emails</a>. They provide an indication of the dishonesty, manouvering and outright lying these people go in for.</p>
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		<title>By: david w</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/sorry-seems-to-be-the-hardest-word/comment-page-1/#comment-10890</link>
		<dc:creator>david w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He, being a scientist, found it hard at first to grasp the essentially political objectives of our paper and looked at it from the normal scientific point of view. So he was of the view that we should be describing error limits, doing statistical analyses and quoting learned papers.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s gold, every time a journalist turns to C&quot;S&quot;C for balance they should be reminded of that organisations dedication to scientific standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He, being a scientist, found it hard at first to grasp the essentially political objectives of our paper and looked at it from the normal scientific point of view. So he was of the view that we should be describing error limits, doing statistical analyses and quoting learned papers.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s gold, every time a journalist turns to C&#8221;S&#8221;C for balance they should be reminded of that organisations dedication to scientific standards.</p>
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