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	<description>Global warming and the future of New Zealand</description>
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		<title>By: New dimensions in earth science uncovered by NZ blogger â€” Hot Topic</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/oops-he-did-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10000</link>
		<dc:creator>New dimensions in earth science uncovered by NZ blogger â€” Hot Topic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blades &#8212; and ice cores (and in Wishart-world they can&#8217;t be trusted, because Wishart relies on the &#8220;work&#8221; of EG Beck). Frank and his co-workers use this data to try to work out how much extra CO2 is released when the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blades &#8212; and ice cores (and in Wishart-world they can&#8217;t be trusted, because Wishart relies on the &#8220;work&#8221; of EG Beck). Frank and his co-workers use this data to try to work out how much extra CO2 is released when the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Source for the goose: footnotes to history â€” Hot Topic</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/oops-he-did-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-9698</link>
		<dc:creator>Source for the goose: footnotes to history â€” Hot Topic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the footnotes in Ian Wishart&#8217;s Air Con is proving to be an entertaining exercise. Last week I followed a reference that revealed a &#8220;National Science Foundation report&#8221; he cites to support his thesis [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the footnotes in Ian Wishart&#8217;s Air Con is proving to be an entertaining exercise. Last week I followed a reference that revealed a &#8220;National Science Foundation report&#8221; he cites to support his thesis [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CM</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/oops-he-did-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-9642</link>
		<dc:creator>CM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Laurence. I&#039;ve had years of practice being in the distinct minority on a staunchly conservative American forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Laurence. I&#8217;ve had years of practice being in the distinct minority on a staunchly conservative American forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/oops-he-did-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-9613</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My hat&#039;s off to you CM, you&#039;ve the patience of a saint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hat&#8217;s off to you CM, you&#8217;ve the patience of a saint.</p>
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		<title>By: CM</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/oops-he-did-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-9600</link>
		<dc:creator>CM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Predictably, he&#039;s joined in the latest round of Latif misrepresentation now.

http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2010/01/get-ready-for-a-decades-long-chill-top-climatologist-warns.html

Even when Latif himself states that people are just making stuff up, Wishart claims the &#039;dispute&#039; is &#039;artistic&#039;! 

LMAO
&quot;We&#039;re artists, not deniers!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Predictably, he&#8217;s joined in the latest round of Latif misrepresentation now.</p>
<p><a href="http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2010/01/get-ready-for-a-decades-long-chill-top-climatologist-warns.html" rel="nofollow">http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2010/01/get-ready-for-a-decades-long-chill-top-climatologist-warns.html</a></p>
<p>Even when Latif himself states that people are just making stuff up, Wishart claims the &#8216;dispute&#8217; is &#8216;artistic&#8217;! </p>
<p>LMAO<br />
&#8220;We&#8217;re artists, not deniers!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wishart researcher?. Reads kiddie books. &#171; The Standard</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/oops-he-did-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-9592</link>
		<dc:creator>Wishart researcher?. Reads kiddie books. &#171; The Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gareth at Hot-topic has been tearing apart ssome of Wisharts recent posturing, and posted this comment [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priceless. I see they were &quot;field testing the materials&quot; in 1999 - I guess Ian&#039;s computer somehow fell into a time warp and he never got the corrected version.

Here&#039;s a  link to the some of the main actors that  Wishart and his ilk strive to emulate:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/31633524/the_climate_killers/print</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priceless. I see they were &#8220;field testing the materials&#8221; in 1999 &#8211; I guess Ian&#8217;s computer somehow fell into a time warp and he never got the corrected version.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a  link to the some of the main actors that  Wishart and his ilk strive to emulate:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/31633524/the_climate_killers/print" rel="nofollow">http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/31633524/the_climate_killers/print</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dappledwater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dappledwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy that raised a chuckle or three. If only Wishard had the understanding to understand that he doesn&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy that raised a chuckle or three. If only Wishard had the understanding to understand that he doesn&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Whoops</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remarkable.</description>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wishart, responding to some prodding, says this in a comment at his place:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thermal lag was defined as a response time. The full details are quoted from US National Science Foundation reports, verbatim, at pages 96-98 of Air Con (and Gareth incidentally still fails to understand what they are saying the same way as he misquoted a SkepticalScience page in support of one of his earlier arguments.)

Sigh. Sadly Rob I understand more about the science of climate change than you or Gareth will evidently ever know...but don&#039;t let that stop you frothing at the mouth, it&#039;s highly entertaining.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We&#039;ll ignore his arrogance for the time being and concentrate on the &lt;em&gt;&quot;US National Science Foundation reports&quot;&lt;/em&gt; he relies on in Air Con (though there it&#039;s described as an &quot;essay&quot;). Luckily for us, Ian provides a link to his source (footnote 155 on p96), which he notes is from 1999 and only available as a web archive. It&#039;s a long link to type in, but it does work, &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/20000301095730/www.glacier.rice.edu/land/5_glaciersandtheir2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;as you can see&lt;/a&gt;. I was a bit surprised, because it doesn&#039;t read like any scientific report an august science funding body like the NSF might issue -- in fact it reads more like the sort of notes you might provide for a middle school educational programme. So I clicked a few links and... Wishart&#039;s NSF report turns out to be &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/20000229152423/www.glacier.rice.edu/misc/glacier_in_class_app.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;GLACIER brings the exciting, dynamic realm of Antarctica into the middle school classroom to promote exploration of earth science concepts. GLACIER is a hands-on, inquiry-based, multidisciplinary cooperative learning adventure that explores topics being investigated by researchers on the ice today!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not a &quot;report&quot;, but a &quot;multidisciplinary cooperative learning adventure&quot;. There&#039;s some irony perhaps in that Ian uses a 10 year old US middle school course as his reference, and still fails to understand it. Made me laugh, anyway.
But where does the National Science Foundation come in? Turns out they funded the course:
&lt;blockquote&gt;GLACIER is a three year project funded by the National Science Foundation branches of the Office of Polar Programs and the Directorate for Education and Human Resources. It involves a diverse team of researchers and educators headed by Rice University of Houston, Texas, the Education Development Center of Newton, Massachusetts, and the American Museum of Natural History in New York, New York.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wishart, responding to some prodding, says this in a comment at his place:</p>
<blockquote><p>Thermal lag was defined as a response time. The full details are quoted from US National Science Foundation reports, verbatim, at pages 96-98 of Air Con (and Gareth incidentally still fails to understand what they are saying the same way as he misquoted a SkepticalScience page in support of one of his earlier arguments.)</p>
<p>Sigh. Sadly Rob I understand more about the science of climate change than you or Gareth will evidently ever know&#8230;but don&#8217;t let that stop you frothing at the mouth, it&#8217;s highly entertaining.</p></blockquote>
<p>We&#8217;ll ignore his arrogance for the time being and concentrate on the <em>&#8220;US National Science Foundation reports&#8221;</em> he relies on in Air Con (though there it&#8217;s described as an &#8220;essay&#8221;). Luckily for us, Ian provides a link to his source (footnote 155 on p96), which he notes is from 1999 and only available as a web archive. It&#8217;s a long link to type in, but it does work, <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20000301095730/www.glacier.rice.edu/land/5_glaciersandtheir2.html" rel="nofollow">as you can see</a>. I was a bit surprised, because it doesn&#8217;t read like any scientific report an august science funding body like the NSF might issue &#8212; in fact it reads more like the sort of notes you might provide for a middle school educational programme. So I clicked a few links and&#8230; Wishart&#8217;s NSF report turns out to be <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20000229152423/www.glacier.rice.edu/misc/glacier_in_class_app.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>GLACIER brings the exciting, dynamic realm of Antarctica into the middle school classroom to promote exploration of earth science concepts. GLACIER is a hands-on, inquiry-based, multidisciplinary cooperative learning adventure that explores topics being investigated by researchers on the ice today!</p></blockquote>
<p>Not a &#8220;report&#8221;, but a &#8220;multidisciplinary cooperative learning adventure&#8221;. There&#8217;s some irony perhaps in that Ian uses a 10 year old US middle school course as his reference, and still fails to understand it. Made me laugh, anyway.<br />
But where does the National Science Foundation come in? Turns out they funded the course:</p>
<blockquote><p>GLACIER is a three year project funded by the National Science Foundation branches of the Office of Polar Programs and the Directorate for Education and Human Resources. It involves a diverse team of researchers and educators headed by Rice University of Houston, Texas, the Education Development Center of Newton, Massachusetts, and the American Museum of Natural History in New York, New York.</p></blockquote>
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