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		<title>By: Copenhagen: opening thoughts — Hot Topic</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/marvellous-distempered-the-copenhagen-diagnosis/#comment-9126</link>
		<dc:creator>Copenhagen: opening thoughts — Hot Topic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a global deal can be done, will it be able to deliver emissions reductions on the scale required to avoid damaging [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Billy T.</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/marvellous-distempered-the-copenhagen-diagnosis/#comment-8623</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha ha.  Or else you only get to shower when the sun shines...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha ha.  Or else you only get to shower when the sun shines&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: S2</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/marvellous-distempered-the-copenhagen-diagnosis/#comment-8585</link>
		<dc:creator>S2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Even over the past ten years, despite a decrease in solar forcing, the trend continues to be one of warming.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s the only bit that I have any issue with.

A throwaway comment like the one above could be seen to imply a solar connection, which I am sure wasn&#039;t the intention.

The current solar minimum is lower (and has lasted for longer) than usual, but there is not as yet any good evidence for any significant decline in solar forcing over and above the normal sunspot cycle variability - and (unless your name is Piers Corbyn) there is no established link between the sunspot cycle and global temperature.

To be fair, the authors do not claim that there is any such link - indeed they quote Lean and Rind (2008) :
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They found that the sun contributed only about 10% of surface warming in the last century and a negligible amount in the last quarter century&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I had not come across this report before, thanks for giving it some publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Even over the past ten years, despite a decrease in solar forcing, the trend continues to be one of warming.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s the only bit that I have any issue with.</p>
<p>A throwaway comment like the one above could be seen to imply a solar connection, which I am sure wasn&#8217;t the intention.</p>
<p>The current solar minimum is lower (and has lasted for longer) than usual, but there is not as yet any good evidence for any significant decline in solar forcing over and above the normal sunspot cycle variability &#8211; and (unless your name is Piers Corbyn) there is no established link between the sunspot cycle and global temperature.</p>
<p>To be fair, the authors do not claim that there is any such link &#8211; indeed they quote Lean and Rind (2008) :</p>
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They found that the sun contributed only about 10% of surface warming in the last century and a negligible amount in the last quarter century</p></blockquote>
<p>I had not come across this report before, thanks for giving it some publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: FlatFish</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/marvellous-distempered-the-copenhagen-diagnosis/#comment-8545</link>
		<dc:creator>FlatFish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Smith is going to be a VERY lonely man. 

The ETS will be known as Nick&#039;s Bill by NZders long after Key&#039;s and his lot are ejected and forgotten. Nick has immortalised himself for Nick&#039;s ETS will far out live the Great Depression of 2009. It will be a defining point in NZ history. The point at which NZ&#039;s &quot;clean, green&quot; credentials start to leach, and the world&#039;s citizens start to realise that NZ products (diary and tourism) are a sham!

Gaia save your soul Nick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Smith is going to be a VERY lonely man. </p>
<p>The ETS will be known as Nick&#8217;s Bill by NZders long after Key&#8217;s and his lot are ejected and forgotten. Nick has immortalised himself for Nick&#8217;s ETS will far out live the Great Depression of 2009. It will be a defining point in NZ history. The point at which NZ&#8217;s &#8220;clean, green&#8221; credentials start to leach, and the world&#8217;s citizens start to realise that NZ products (diary and tourism) are a sham!</p>
<p>Gaia save your soul Nick!</p>
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		<title>By: R2D2</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/marvellous-distempered-the-copenhagen-diagnosis/#comment-8542</link>
		<dc:creator>R2D2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Dappled Water and Rob Taylor, New Zealand should be ashamed at Copenhagen. Think of all the other nations in the world to have ETS’s far stronger than ours!

The EU ETS includes CO2 emissions from selected industries and covers a whopping 40% of total EU emissions. And they only give 90% of units as allocations.

The Aussies and US haven’t yet passed schemes into law, but they will! And the proposals they have are so different to Nick Smith’s…. The US will include all gases except agricultural and allocate 85% of units free, while the Australian scheme is SO DIFFERENT TO OURS RIGHT??

And the US scheme will be phased in from 2012-2016, the Aussies from 2011. When does ours start again? Oh next year?

Yes New Zealand is defiantly a climate laggard. We should be doing as the rest of the world is and implementing comprehensive ETS’s, not bowing down to corporate interests that hate our grandchildren’s grandchildren!

So yes, National campaigned on not leading the world in climate policy, and the nation voted for them, but this, this is....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Dappled Water and Rob Taylor, New Zealand should be ashamed at Copenhagen. Think of all the other nations in the world to have ETS’s far stronger than ours!</p>
<p>The EU ETS includes CO2 emissions from selected industries and covers a whopping 40% of total EU emissions. And they only give 90% of units as allocations.</p>
<p>The Aussies and US haven’t yet passed schemes into law, but they will! And the proposals they have are so different to Nick Smith’s…. The US will include all gases except agricultural and allocate 85% of units free, while the Australian scheme is SO DIFFERENT TO OURS RIGHT??</p>
<p>And the US scheme will be phased in from 2012-2016, the Aussies from 2011. When does ours start again? Oh next year?</p>
<p>Yes New Zealand is defiantly a climate laggard. We should be doing as the rest of the world is and implementing comprehensive ETS’s, not bowing down to corporate interests that hate our grandchildren’s grandchildren!</p>
<p>So yes, National campaigned on not leading the world in climate policy, and the nation voted for them, but this, this is&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dappledwater</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/marvellous-distempered-the-copenhagen-diagnosis/#comment-8541</link>
		<dc:creator>Dappledwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Re Nick Smith’s comment this morning that NZ can now attend the talks with “our head held high”, this must be some new meaning of those words that I am unfamiliar with.&quot; - Rob Taylor.

Possibly a quote mine. What Nick Smith actually said was &quot; Our head held high, up our backsides&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Re Nick Smith’s comment this morning that NZ can now attend the talks with “our head held high”, this must be some new meaning of those words that I am unfamiliar with.&#8221; &#8211; Rob Taylor.</p>
<p>Possibly a quote mine. What Nick Smith actually said was &#8221; Our head held high, up our backsides&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Wrathall</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/marvellous-distempered-the-copenhagen-diagnosis/#comment-8531</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Wrathall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;average annual per-capita emissions will have to shrink to well under 1 metric ton CO2 by 2050...&quot;

Which day of the week will be shower day. I bags Friday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;average annual per-capita emissions will have to shrink to well under 1 metric ton CO2 by 2050&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Which day of the week will be shower day. I bags Friday.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Taylor</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/marvellous-distempered-the-copenhagen-diagnosis/#comment-8519</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad news for all of us, but I see Obama is going to attend the Copenhagen talks at least briefly, so that will focus attention.

Re Nick Smith&#039;s comment this morning that NZ can now attend the talks with &quot;our head held high&quot;, this must be some new meaning of those words that I am unfamiliar with.

Some combination of the words &quot;craven&quot;, &quot;spineless&quot; and &quot;intergenerational theft&quot; would surely be more appropriate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad news for all of us, but I see Obama is going to attend the Copenhagen talks at least briefly, so that will focus attention.</p>
<p>Re Nick Smith&#8217;s comment this morning that NZ can now attend the talks with &#8220;our head held high&#8221;, this must be some new meaning of those words that I am unfamiliar with.</p>
<p>Some combination of the words &#8220;craven&#8221;, &#8220;spineless&#8221; and &#8220;intergenerational theft&#8221; would surely be more appropriate&#8230;</p>
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