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		<title>By: Martin v</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/ill-drown-in-my-own-tears/#comment-707</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave

I am disappointed that you will no longer be appearing in the Listener.   IMHO the previous Ecologic columnist wrote content more suited to a glossy womens mag or a TV reality show, long on general statements and short on data or analysis.   When you arrived the column I started reading the column seriously, in the same way I read Brian Easton&#039;s column.

The &quot;balance&quot; issue is interesting.   Flying Spaghetti Monster / Kansas State Board of Education springs to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave</p>
<p>I am disappointed that you will no longer be appearing in the Listener.   IMHO the previous Ecologic columnist wrote content more suited to a glossy womens mag or a TV reality show, long on general statements and short on data or analysis.   When you arrived the column I started reading the column seriously, in the same way I read Brian Easton&#8217;s column.</p>
<p>The &#8220;balance&#8221; issue is interesting.   Flying Spaghetti Monster / Kansas State Board of Education springs to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mackie</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/ill-drown-in-my-own-tears/#comment-706</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way back in March of 2007 I wrote to the Listener offering them an article I&#039;d written showing how Augie Auer and NZCSC were either very stupid or were deliberately misleading people.

The Listener said they&#039;d think about it and did nothing until the day after Auer died when they sent me a &quot;thank you for your submission, we will not be using it&quot; letter.

Of course it was silly of me not to have realised I was wrong to suggest a binary choice for Auer and NZCSC when the fact is both choices are true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way back in March of 2007 I wrote to the Listener offering them an article I&#8217;d written showing how Augie Auer and NZCSC were either very stupid or were deliberately misleading people.</p>
<p>The Listener said they&#8217;d think about it and did nothing until the day after Auer died when they sent me a &#8220;thank you for your submission, we will not be using it&#8221; letter.</p>
<p>Of course it was silly of me not to have realised I was wrong to suggest a binary choice for Auer and NZCSC when the fact is both choices are true.</p>
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		<title>By: cindy</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/ill-drown-in-my-own-tears/#comment-705</link>
		<dc:creator>cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so much for an editor backing their staff.  Dave&#039;s story can be substantiated - every last bit of it. And it was a good story: Heartland paying for Leyland et al to go to Bali is news!  Don&#039;t start me on Heartland. Go to http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org and you&#039;ll see what I mean.  RABID.

Don&#039;t forget this is a Listener which ran more than three pages from Nigel Lawson last year after he was brought out here by big business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so much for an editor backing their staff.  Dave&#8217;s story can be substantiated &#8211; every last bit of it. And it was a good story: Heartland paying for Leyland et al to go to Bali is news!  Don&#8217;t start me on Heartland. Go to <a href="http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org</a> and you&#8217;ll see what I mean.  RABID.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget this is a Listener which ran more than three pages from Nigel Lawson last year after he was brought out here by big business.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hansford</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/ill-drown-in-my-own-tears/#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hansford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew,

It&#039;s neither for me to urge nor discourage a letter-writing campaign. But of course, it remains your perogative to get the Listener&#039;s side of the story.

Cheers,

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s neither for me to urge nor discourage a letter-writing campaign. But of course, it remains your perogative to get the Listener&#8217;s side of the story.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew H</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/ill-drown-in-my-own-tears/#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave
Your article appears to be right on the nail but your story is shocking.
Would a few more letters to the editor help?

To other readers here make sure you follow Gareth&#039;s link to the letter from J L Bast.   The final paragraph is not the worst of it as far as distortions go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave<br />
Your article appears to be right on the nail but your story is shocking.<br />
Would a few more letters to the editor help?</p>
<p>To other readers here make sure you follow Gareth&#8217;s link to the letter from J L Bast.   The final paragraph is not the worst of it as far as distortions go.</p>
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		<title>By: terence</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/ill-drown-in-my-own-tears/#comment-702</link>
		<dc:creator>terence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Hansford,

That is really something. And, if the implication is correct, absolutely appalling from the Listener. I&#039;m sorry to hear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Hansford,</p>
<p>That is really something. And, if the implication is correct, absolutely appalling from the Listener. I&#8217;m sorry to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: gareth</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/ill-drown-in-my-own-tears/#comment-694</link>
		<dc:creator>gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To supply some context, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3541/columnists/10716/some_like_it_hot.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s the article&lt;/a&gt; Dave refers to, and here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3543/letters/10780.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link to the Letters page&lt;/a&gt; (scroll down a bit) a couple of weeks later that includes an extraordinary outburst from the Heartland Institute&#039;s head honcho, Joseph L Bast. The letter concludes:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;I donâ€™t know how writers like Hansford sleep at night. If he has even a shred of personal integrity, he should apologise for his attacks on the growing number of scientists who say the threat of global warming has been over-sold, and promise to never again write on this subject. And his publisher should accept nothing less.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It appears the Listener&#039;s editor was craven enough to agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To supply some context, <a href="http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3541/columnists/10716/some_like_it_hot.html" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s the article</a> Dave refers to, and here&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3543/letters/10780.html" rel="nofollow">link to the Letters page</a> (scroll down a bit) a couple of weeks later that includes an extraordinary outburst from the Heartland Institute&#8217;s head honcho, Joseph L Bast. The letter concludes:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>I donâ€™t know how writers like Hansford sleep at night. If he has even a shred of personal integrity, he should apologise for his attacks on the growing number of scientists who say the threat of global warming has been over-sold, and promise to never again write on this subject. And his publisher should accept nothing less.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>It appears the Listener&#8217;s editor was craven enough to agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hansford</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/ill-drown-in-my-own-tears/#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hansford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi folks,

My name is Dave Hansford.

Until recently, I wrote the Ecologic column in The Listener, including â€œSome Like it Hotâ€ (March 22, 2008) which looked at media treatment of climate deniers and the NZ Climate Coalitionâ€™s links to Exxon through front groups like the Heartland Institute and Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow.

I say â€œuntil recently,â€ because shortly after publication of that column, I was dropped from Ecologic with no valid explanation.

In the Listener&#039;s &#039;both sides of the &quot;debate&quot; treatment this week,  we appear to have a situation where somebody who presents a page of verifiable, supported facts is summarily dismissed, while somebody else is given free rein to present a page of unsupported misrepresentation, disinformation and plain lies (and I&#039;m not talking about Dave Kelly!).

The Listener will tell you that it is upholding the principle of balance.

Dave Hansford</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi folks,</p>
<p>My name is Dave Hansford.</p>
<p>Until recently, I wrote the Ecologic column in The Listener, including â€œSome Like it Hotâ€ (March 22, 2008) which looked at media treatment of climate deniers and the NZ Climate Coalitionâ€™s links to Exxon through front groups like the Heartland Institute and Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow.</p>
<p>I say â€œuntil recently,â€ because shortly after publication of that column, I was dropped from Ecologic with no valid explanation.</p>
<p>In the Listener&#8217;s &#8216;both sides of the &#8220;debate&#8221; treatment this week,  we appear to have a situation where somebody who presents a page of verifiable, supported facts is summarily dismissed, while somebody else is given free rein to present a page of unsupported misrepresentation, disinformation and plain lies (and I&#8217;m not talking about Dave Kelly!).</p>
<p>The Listener will tell you that it is upholding the principle of balance.</p>
<p>Dave Hansford</p>
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		<title>By: cindy</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/ill-drown-in-my-own-tears/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latest climate change conference, actually, did NOT canvass opinions.  It already had the IPCC&#039;s report.

The conference focussed on moving ahead on tackling climate change.  Bryan  and his cronies tried to raise a &quot;debate&quot; but were ignored.

grrrr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest climate change conference, actually, did NOT canvass opinions.  It already had the IPCC&#8217;s report.</p>
<p>The conference focussed on moving ahead on tackling climate change.  Bryan  and his cronies tried to raise a &#8220;debate&#8221; but were ignored.</p>
<p>grrrr</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Clover</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/ill-drown-in-my-own-tears/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Clover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œAgreement among experts is weakly related to accuracy.â€

Hee hee - so much for the Copenhagen consensus then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œAgreement among experts is weakly related to accuracy.â€</p>
<p>Hee hee &#8211; so much for the Copenhagen consensus then.</p>
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