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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/garth-goes-off-the-deep-end/comment-page-1/#comment-12414</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of the old joke about the devout person sitting on the roof of their house as the floodwaters rise. 3 time passersby in boats offer to rescue him, three times the believer refuses and expresses every confidence in God&#039;s imminent merciful intervention. This doesn&#039;t work, and when the newly drowned believer meets his maker in heaven he complains indignantly to God that despite his exemplary faith he&#039;d not been rescued. 
 
&#039;What?&#039; says God, &#039;I sent you &lt;i&gt;three&lt;/i&gt; boats!&#039; 
 
So if we consider that climate science could be readily be schematized as a warning from God... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of the old joke about the devout person sitting on the roof of their house as the floodwaters rise. 3 time passersby in boats offer to rescue him, three times the believer refuses and expresses every confidence in God&#039;s imminent merciful intervention. This doesn&#039;t work, and when the newly drowned believer meets his maker in heaven he complains indignantly to God that despite his exemplary faith he&#039;d not been rescued. </p>
<p>&#039;What?&#039; says God, &#039;I sent you <i>three</i> boats!&#039; </p>
<p>So if we consider that climate science could be readily be schematized as a warning from God&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: watching the deniers</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/garth-goes-off-the-deep-end/comment-page-1/#comment-12413</link>
		<dc:creator>watching the deniers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much - the idea that God would give up his sovereignty and care for humanity is a deeply held existential fear of the creationist crowd. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much &#8211; the idea that God would give up his sovereignty and care for humanity is a deeply held existential fear of the creationist crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: tomfarmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomfarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At mention &quot;sulfurous lairs&quot; - above - I am reminded to cite a newbie which Suzanne Goldenberg has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/21/solvay-chemicals-obama-green-agenda&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;come up with&lt;/a&gt; at the Guardian and was recommended by solveclimate.com. The company concerned now does more than pump SF6 to our global atmosphere. A be aware story.. I sense you&#039;ll agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At mention &#8220;sulfurous lairs&#8221; &#8211; above &#8211; I am reminded to cite a newbie which Suzanne Goldenberg has <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/21/solvay-chemicals-obama-green-agenda" rel="nofollow">come up with</a> at the Guardian and was recommended by solveclimate.com. The company concerned now does more than pump SF6 to our global atmosphere. A be aware story.. I sense you&#8217;ll agree.</p>
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		<title>By: watchingthedeniers</title>
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		<dc:creator>watchingthedeniers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 06:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this wonderfully breathless display of ignorance. 
 
If he doubts CO2 has any effect on the environment, he should perhaps consider the natural greenhouse effect - which is keeps the planet at a comfortable temperature - discovered by science in the late 19th C. 
 
Let&#039;s suggest we strip the atmosphere of C02, CH4 etc. completely and see what happens... wait, isn&#039;t that the kind of atmosphere the moon has?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this wonderfully breathless display of ignorance. </p>
<p>If he doubts CO2 has any effect on the environment, he should perhaps consider the natural greenhouse effect &#8211; which is keeps the planet at a comfortable temperature &#8211; discovered by science in the late 19th C. </p>
<p>Let&#039;s suggest we strip the atmosphere of C02, CH4 etc. completely and see what happens&#8230; wait, isn&#039;t that the kind of atmosphere the moon has?</p>
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		<title>By: George D</title>
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		<dc:creator>George D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 02:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entirely unremarkable, actually! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entirely unremarkable, actually!</p>
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		<title>By: RW1</title>
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		<dc:creator>RW1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The downside to that is that idiots like George will conveniently die before the full amount of deserved ridicule falls on them. Oh, well... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The downside to that is that idiots like George will conveniently die before the full amount of deserved ridicule falls on them. Oh, well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug_Mackie</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/garth-goes-off-the-deep-end/comment-page-1/#comment-12395</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug_Mackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) I have little doubt that young earth creationists are disproportionately climate deniers but actually we don&#8217;t usually know because, the funny thing is, most know their views are risible and keep quiet about them. Denialism is their way of getting back at Science. 
 
2) As always, the deafening silence from the &#8220;scientist&#8221; deniers will speak volumes.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) I have little doubt that young earth creationists are disproportionately climate deniers but actually we don&rsquo;t usually know because, the funny thing is, most know their views are risible and keep quiet about them. Denialism is their way of getting back at Science. </p>
<p>2) As always, the deafening silence from the &ldquo;scientist&rdquo; deniers will speak volumes.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George puts me in mind of the following quote from Max Planck: 
 &quot;A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and 
  making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually 
  die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.&quot;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George puts me in mind of the following quote from Max Planck:<br />
 &quot;A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and<br />
  making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually<br />
  die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: david winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>david winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breathtaking. By my back of an envelope calculations Darth is out by a factor of 2 million. That&#039;s actually worse than the creationists&#039; estimate of the age of the earth, 6000 years is only 1.3 million times less than 4.5 billion.  
 
 
My recent post &lt;a href=&quot;http://sciblogs.co.nz/the-atavism/2010/04/19/relative-risk-averse/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Relative Risk Averse&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breathtaking. By my back of an envelope calculations Darth is out by a factor of 2 million. That&#039;s actually worse than the creationists&#039; estimate of the age of the earth, 6000 years is only 1.3 million times less than 4.5 billion.  </p>
<p>My recent post <a href="http://sciblogs.co.nz/the-atavism/2010/04/19/relative-risk-averse/" target="_blank">Relative Risk Averse</a></p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remarkable, though, how many  deniers are young Earth creationists, as opposed to what I&#039;d call non-secular humanists...

In fact, many arguments seem to boil down to &quot;God wouldn&#039;t do that to us&quot;! That really is taking faith to the limits!...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remarkable, though, how many  deniers are young Earth creationists, as opposed to what I&#8217;d call non-secular humanists&#8230;</p>
<p>In fact, many arguments seem to boil down to &#8220;God wouldn&#8217;t do that to us&#8221;! That really is taking faith to the limits!&#8230;</p>
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