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		<title>By: tmock</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan, no problem. I understand. I just wish we could get the same headline coverage for viable solutions as we do the sensational problems! Terry P.S. I really like your take on Gaia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan, no problem. I understand. I just wish we could get the same headline coverage for viable solutions as we do the sensational problems! Terry P.S. I really like your take on Gaia.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Walker</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/gaia-in-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-9524</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, I&#039;ve had a closer look at some articles in your magazine, and understand much better what you are getting at.  Seeing some specifics helped a lot. The &lt;a href = &quot;http://www.sldtonline.com/content/view/663/111/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; article &lt;/a&gt; on wastewater treatment, for example, was of high interest.  My initial reaction to your comment arose because far from our NZ newspapers making too much of the grim prospects ahead if we carry on adding to greenhouse gas levels, they still largely overlook them.  But I certainly have no objection to organisations which say let&#039;s get down to some detailed work in building a sustainable economy, nor to the optimism with which they may tackle the task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, I&#8217;ve had a closer look at some articles in your magazine, and understand much better what you are getting at.  Seeing some specifics helped a lot. The <a href = "http://www.sldtonline.com/content/view/663/111/" rel="nofollow"> article </a> on wastewater treatment, for example, was of high interest.  My initial reaction to your comment arose because far from our NZ newspapers making too much of the grim prospects ahead if we carry on adding to greenhouse gas levels, they still largely overlook them.  But I certainly have no objection to organisations which say let&#8217;s get down to some detailed work in building a sustainable economy, nor to the optimism with which they may tackle the task.</p>
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		<title>By: tmock</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/gaia-in-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-9523</link>
		<dc:creator>tmock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bryan,

Please notice that I didn&#039;t say that there was no threat of a dark age for human civilisation. I said that this concern is â€œhysteria-media-drivenâ€. &quot;It sells newpapers&quot;, as they used to say. 

The answers to these global problems lie the world&#039;s 1st sustainable land development best practices system - where good land development standards are based on good science. Check it out...

The SLDI CodeTM - http://www.sldi.org/images/Research/sldi%20in%20focus%20-%20world%5C%27s%20first%20sldbp%20system%20introduced.pdf

As far as the relative importance of  ecosystem services to sustain civilization, I think that this is what you are looking for...

Biodiversity is the Living Foundation for Sustainable Development -  http://www.sldtonline.com/content/view/120/

Best,

Terry Mock
Executive Director
Sustainable Land Development International
www.SLDI.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bryan,</p>
<p>Please notice that I didn&#8217;t say that there was no threat of a dark age for human civilisation. I said that this concern is â€œhysteria-media-drivenâ€. &#8220;It sells newpapers&#8221;, as they used to say. </p>
<p>The answers to these global problems lie the world&#8217;s 1st sustainable land development best practices system &#8211; where good land development standards are based on good science. Check it out&#8230;</p>
<p>The SLDI CodeTM &#8211; <a href="http://www.sldi.org/images/Research/sldi%20in%20focus%20-%20world%5C%27s%20first%20sldbp%20system%20introduced.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sldi.org/images/Research/sldi%20in%20focus%20-%20world%5C%27s%20first%20sldbp%20system%20introduced.pdf</a></p>
<p>As far as the relative importance of  ecosystem services to sustain civilization, I think that this is what you are looking for&#8230;</p>
<p>Biodiversity is the Living Foundation for Sustainable Development &#8211;  <a href="http://www.sldtonline.com/content/view/120/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sldtonline.com/content/view/120/</a></p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Terry Mock<br />
Executive Director<br />
Sustainable Land Development International<br />
<a href="http://www.SLDI.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.SLDI.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Walker</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/gaia-in-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-9521</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the pointer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the pointer.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Walker</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/gaia-in-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-9520</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, the threat of a dark age for human civilisation is hardly  &quot;hysteria-media-driven&quot;.  Scientist James Hansen, for example, whose latest book is reviewed &lt;a href = &quot;http://hot-topic.co.nz/storms-of-my-grandchildren/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here &lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on Hot Topic is a solid character whose fears are grounded on years of research.  He and the large scientific community of which he is part deserve more attention and intellectual respect than words like hysteria indicate. 

I notice on your website you speak of &quot;equal emphasis on economy, environment, and social equity.&quot;  Those are the expressed sentiments of senior members of our current government (minus the social equity bit, though they might add that if pressed).  They won&#039;t do in the face of climate change and species extinction. The environment has to come first.  This is not a death knell for the economy, just the driver of a somewhat different kind of economy.   

It&#039;s not clear from your generalised statements how seriously you take the science of such major environmental issues as climate change and biodiversity.  If your optimism is built on an acceptance of what the science presents good luck to you.  If it is an attempt to bypass that reality it won&#039;t lead anywhere promising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, the threat of a dark age for human civilisation is hardly  &#8220;hysteria-media-driven&#8221;.  Scientist James Hansen, for example, whose latest book is reviewed <a href = "http://hot-topic.co.nz/storms-of-my-grandchildren/" rel="nofollow"> here </a>on Hot Topic is a solid character whose fears are grounded on years of research.  He and the large scientific community of which he is part deserve more attention and intellectual respect than words like hysteria indicate. </p>
<p>I notice on your website you speak of &#8220;equal emphasis on economy, environment, and social equity.&#8221;  Those are the expressed sentiments of senior members of our current government (minus the social equity bit, though they might add that if pressed).  They won&#8217;t do in the face of climate change and species extinction. The environment has to come first.  This is not a death knell for the economy, just the driver of a somewhat different kind of economy.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not clear from your generalised statements how seriously you take the science of such major environmental issues as climate change and biodiversity.  If your optimism is built on an acceptance of what the science presents good luck to you.  If it is an attempt to bypass that reality it won&#8217;t lead anywhere promising.</p>
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		<title>By: tmock</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nature Bats Last. We are Part of Nature Too...
Sustainable Land Development Today - http://www.sldtonline.com/content/view/509/

...Having taken an early environmentally defensive position on land development issues in the past, I now find myself in the position of defending our industry in the face of recent publicly reported criticism and dire predictions which have outlined a very bleak future for humanity as a consequence of the collective eco-sins of present and preceding generations. While the consequences of bad environmental practices are now evident and obvious to any rational observer, I now offer an opinion contrary to the current hysteria-media-driven fear of a coming â€œDark Ageâ€ for civilization.

The key to my optimism is the belief that inevitably the movement of human emotion between the extremes of confidence in human dominance over nature, and the fear of nature punishing us for our exploitive tendencies, will result in a more balanced view that as part of nature, humans have the capability to be a positive evolutionary force and to learn from and influence the natural world around us, for the benefit of society today, as well as future generations of all species.

...there has been an amazing burst of new technology on the scene, with much more on the way, that will enable our species to not only survive, but to thrive as the stewards of a restored planet. 

The cornerstone of our new-found knowledge of sustainability is the philosophy of â€œdoing more with less,â€ and the best sustainable models to study are the earthâ€™s natural systems. By emulating the efficiency of nature, we can sustain our species at a desirable standard of living and at long last, the often repeated cycle of natural resource exploitation, and the rise and fall of civilizations from the dawn of human time, will be broken.

Terry Mock
Executive Director
Sustainable Land Development International
www.SLDI.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nature Bats Last. We are Part of Nature Too&#8230;<br />
Sustainable Land Development Today &#8211; <a href="http://www.sldtonline.com/content/view/509/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sldtonline.com/content/view/509/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;Having taken an early environmentally defensive position on land development issues in the past, I now find myself in the position of defending our industry in the face of recent publicly reported criticism and dire predictions which have outlined a very bleak future for humanity as a consequence of the collective eco-sins of present and preceding generations. While the consequences of bad environmental practices are now evident and obvious to any rational observer, I now offer an opinion contrary to the current hysteria-media-driven fear of a coming â€œDark Ageâ€ for civilization.</p>
<p>The key to my optimism is the belief that inevitably the movement of human emotion between the extremes of confidence in human dominance over nature, and the fear of nature punishing us for our exploitive tendencies, will result in a more balanced view that as part of nature, humans have the capability to be a positive evolutionary force and to learn from and influence the natural world around us, for the benefit of society today, as well as future generations of all species.</p>
<p>&#8230;there has been an amazing burst of new technology on the scene, with much more on the way, that will enable our species to not only survive, but to thrive as the stewards of a restored planet. </p>
<p>The cornerstone of our new-found knowledge of sustainability is the philosophy of â€œdoing more with less,â€ and the best sustainable models to study are the earthâ€™s natural systems. By emulating the efficiency of nature, we can sustain our species at a desirable standard of living and at long last, the often repeated cycle of natural resource exploitation, and the rise and fall of civilizations from the dawn of human time, will be broken.</p>
<p>Terry Mock<br />
Executive Director<br />
Sustainable Land Development International<br />
<a href="http://www.SLDI.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.SLDI.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Macro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 07:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t bother apologising Bryan for including such a book amongst your many excellent reviews here. It becomes more and more obvious that the only creditable solution to the western and developing world&#039;s addiction to carbon must be an holistic one. My holiday reading has been Carolyn Steel&#039;s excellent book &quot;Hungry City&quot; in which she examines the crucial relationship between cities and food. Cities cover just 2% of the world&#039;s surface - but consume 75% of the world&#039;s resources. Again, one third of the world&#039;s grain harvest is fed to livestock, and meat consumption is set to double by 2050. Simplifying the complexity of how we feed ourselves and the effort it takes to do so (1 calorie of food takes 10 calories of oil!) is fundamental to the vexed problem of reducing our dependency on burning coal, gas, and oil. Simpler food chains and less dependence on transportation are just the start. All concepts, I would think, consistent with the principles of Gaia. 
If you are looking for a change in your reading diet, but still want to have some relevance to the continuing Hot Topic then &quot;Hungry City&quot; is well worth looking into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t bother apologising Bryan for including such a book amongst your many excellent reviews here. It becomes more and more obvious that the only creditable solution to the western and developing world&#8217;s addiction to carbon must be an holistic one. My holiday reading has been Carolyn Steel&#8217;s excellent book &#8220;Hungry City&#8221; in which she examines the crucial relationship between cities and food. Cities cover just 2% of the world&#8217;s surface &#8211; but consume 75% of the world&#8217;s resources. Again, one third of the world&#8217;s grain harvest is fed to livestock, and meat consumption is set to double by 2050. Simplifying the complexity of how we feed ourselves and the effort it takes to do so (1 calorie of food takes 10 calories of oil!) is fundamental to the vexed problem of reducing our dependency on burning coal, gas, and oil. Simpler food chains and less dependence on transportation are just the start. All concepts, I would think, consistent with the principles of Gaia.<br />
If you are looking for a change in your reading diet, but still want to have some relevance to the continuing Hot Topic then &#8220;Hungry City&#8221; is well worth looking into.</p>
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