Comments on: Follow the climate money? Well, they did… http://hot-topic.co.nz/follow-the-climate-money-well-they-did%e2%80%a6/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=follow-the-climate-money-well-they-did%25e2%2580%25a6 Global warming and the future of New Zealand Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:41:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Terry http://hot-topic.co.nz/follow-the-climate-money-well-they-did%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-9644 Terry Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:58:14 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3888#comment-9644 Rob, I think it's "Oh, look, a squirrel!" Without delving into motives, it is reasonable to expect the contending parties to take action to protect their perceived interests. And Gareth, when the Congress of the US earmarks billions for the climate research in last year's stimulus, it looks like a serious thumb on the scale. No links, just memory, and it is possible it got deleted later, but contemporary press accounts discussed it. If anything, the 5 to 1 ration appears to favor advocates, not those who would question. Also, is there a place for a simple open-ended research project not designed to support and existing argument but merely trying to look at the physical evidence? And could it get funded? Rob, I think it’s “Oh, look, a squirrel!”

Without delving into motives, it is reasonable to expect the contending parties to take action to protect their perceived interests.

And Gareth, when the Congress of the US earmarks billions for the climate research in last year’s stimulus, it looks like a serious thumb on the scale. No links, just memory, and it is possible it got deleted later, but contemporary press accounts discussed it. If anything, the 5 to 1 ration appears to favor advocates, not those who would question. Also, is there a place for a simple open-ended research project not designed to support and existing argument but merely trying to look at the physical evidence? And could it get funded?

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]]> By: Rob Taylor http://hot-topic.co.nz/follow-the-climate-money-well-they-did%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-9639 Rob Taylor Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:00:30 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3888#comment-9639 I agree with Terry and C3P0; after all, Nazi Germany bribed US politicians to keep the US out of the war in Europe, so why shouldn't fossil fuel industries do the same? Let's get real - what's the point in trying to preserve a livable planet, if it might impact next quarter's earnings and cause your stock to slide on Wall St.? A CEO could get fired for that! What's the future ever done for us, anyway? Those earlier generations who made sacrifices to protect us, their unborn descendants, probably had nothing better to do with their lives - hell, they didn't even have iPods and Facebook back then! Wow, look over there, guys, there's a celebrity! I agree with Terry and C3P0; after all, Nazi Germany bribed US politicians to keep the US out of the war in Europe, so why shouldn’t fossil fuel industries do the same?

Let’s get real – what’s the point in trying to preserve a livable planet, if it might impact next quarter’s earnings and cause your stock to slide on Wall St.? A CEO could get fired for that!

What’s the future ever done for us, anyway? Those earlier generations who made sacrifices to protect us, their unborn descendants, probably had nothing better to do with their lives – hell, they didn’t even have iPods and Facebook back then!

Wow, look over there, guys, there’s a celebrity!

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]]> By: TomG http://hot-topic.co.nz/follow-the-climate-money-well-they-did%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-9638 TomG Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:39:45 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3888#comment-9638 Interesting... If c3p0 is trying to drag this thread way off topic, to me that means there is something here that he/she/it doesn't want me to read. Interesting…
If c3p0 is trying to drag this thread way off topic, to me that means there is something here that he/she/it doesn’t want me to read.

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]]> By: C3P0 http://hot-topic.co.nz/follow-the-climate-money-well-they-did%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-9633 C3P0 Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:52:31 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3888#comment-9633 Topics: .. cranks, funding, lobbying Topics: .. cranks, funding, lobbying

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]]> By: Gareth http://hot-topic.co.nz/follow-the-climate-money-well-they-did%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-9632 Gareth Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:49:04 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3888#comment-9632 Whatever it is, it's off topic in this thread. Whatever it is, it’s off topic in this thread.

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]]> By: C3P0 http://hot-topic.co.nz/follow-the-climate-money-well-they-did%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-9631 C3P0 Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:44:27 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3888#comment-9631 Is this scientific debate or political debate? Or scientists debating with political advocates? (Briffa to Mike Mann) "I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards ‘apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data’ but in reality the situation is not quite so simple." Is this scientific debate or political debate? Or scientists debating with political advocates?

(Briffa to Mike Mann) “I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards ‘apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data’ but in reality the situation is not quite so simple.”

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]]> By: Gareth http://hot-topic.co.nz/follow-the-climate-money-well-they-did%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-9629 Gareth Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:36:30 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3888#comment-9629 He's quoting a 1999 email, so this sort of stuff was actively being debated then. But this OT. He’s quoting a 1999 email, so this sort of stuff was actively being debated then. But this OT.

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]]> By: Gareth http://hot-topic.co.nz/follow-the-climate-money-well-they-did%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-9628 Gareth Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:35:15 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3888#comment-9628 Way off topic. Keep your posts relevant or related to the post. Thanks. Way off topic. Keep your posts relevant or related to the post. Thanks.

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]]> By: Gareth http://hot-topic.co.nz/follow-the-climate-money-well-they-did%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-9627 Gareth Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:34:17 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3888#comment-9627 What's interesting, Terry, is the imbalance in forces deployed. Read the post: its 5 to 1 to those trying to slow action down. The vast majority of the science being done on climate change is funded through normal academic channels, not by grants from companies or by groups with special interests -- but this post is not about science funding, its about the funding of campaigns to derail action. What’s interesting, Terry, is the imbalance in forces deployed. Read the post: its 5 to 1 to those trying to slow action down. The vast majority of the science being done on climate change is funded through normal academic channels, not by grants from companies or by groups with special interests — but this post is not about science funding, its about the funding of campaigns to derail action.

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]]> By: Macro http://hot-topic.co.nz/follow-the-climate-money-well-they-did%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-9626 Macro Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:33:12 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=3888#comment-9626 Well we are all entitled to our beliefs C3 and some we can hold with religious fervor, even if yours are demonstrably misguided. eg "I believe that the recent warmth was probably matched about 1000 years ago". No - just read the literature. "or perhaps a fertilisation through high CO2 or nitrate input". Highly unlikely - and minimal at best. Again read the literature. Well we are all entitled to our beliefs C3 and some we can hold with religious fervor, even if yours are demonstrably misguided.

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“I believe that the recent warmth was probably matched about 1000 years ago”. No – just read the literature.
“or perhaps a fertilisation through high CO2 or nitrate input”. Highly unlikely – and minimal at best. Again read the literature.

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