Comments on: Fighting for the least bad outcome…

By: Kiwiiano

Kiwiiano — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:03:16 +0000

Quoting Andrew W: “Advancing technology is the only way for civilisation to get though the next century intact”
We might be lucky, but have you any ideas on how to build and run a nuclear power station with no use of fossil fuels at all? The biosphere has spent the last few billion years carefully collecting and storing sunlight that we lucky few have squandered in barely 200 years. Our children & grandchildren will be left to fight for the last few scraps while we still lust after 5 litre cars and plan on electric cars that are just as profligate. Anyone would think energy grew on trees.

By: stuey

stuey — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:10:26 +0000

i’ll bite:

“too many greenies advocate policies that impede the development and use of such technologies” typed Andew R.

oh really, so, could you provide an example of who you refer to and what they did to impede the development or use of technologies that could help mitigate climate change? who were those greens and what did they do?

or are you just going to make baseless insinuations designed to tar us all with a straw man?

By: Alan

Alan — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:48:09 +0000

Well something needs to be done about certain corporations/groups slowing progress on this, particularly in the US.

By: jonno

jonno — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:15:18 +0000

Don’t forgot water depletion, food production per on a capitia basis decreasing, loss of bio diversity, etc.

A perfect storm has just begun.

By: Gareth

Gareth — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:12:03 +0000

For the record, I’m with Monbiot too, but we’ll be bloody lucky if we can manage to reduce consumption while increasing the quality of life, switch to low-carbon energy and feed nine billion, whilst dodging the bullets of climate change and peak oil.

By: Andrew W

Andrew W — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:54:53 +0000

I think withoutyourwalls has forgotten to take his/her medicineâ€¦

I’m also with Monbiot on this one, anyone who advocates allowing a collapse (if it can be prevented), given the billions that would probably die and the huge ecological damage that would be done by civilisation in its death throes, is to my mind on a par with Stalin and Hitler.
Advancing technology is the only way for civilisation to get though the next century intact, and too many greenies advocate policies that impede the development and use of such technologies.

By: Dappledwater

Dappledwater — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:26:30 +0000

WYW, good luck. It’s going to heavily policed, so hopefully you’re able to rally huge numbers.

By: withoutyourwalls

withoutyourwalls — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:32:14 +0000

Call to Action: ‘Climate Justice Action’ network to storm COPenhagen climate summit

“Reclaiming power from below

On the 16th of December, at the start of the high-level â€˜ministerialâ€™ phase of the two-week summit, we, the movements for global justice, will take over the conference for one day and transform it into a Peopleâ€™s Summit for Climate Justice. Using only the force of our bodies to achieve our goal, our Reclaim Power! march will push into the conference area and enter the building, disrupt the sessions and use the space to talk about our agenda, an agenda from below, an agenda of climate justice, of real solutions against their false ones. Our action is one of civil disobedience: we will overcome any physical barriers that stand in our way â€“ but we will not respond with violence if the police try to escalate the situation.”

http://nz.indymedia.org/article/77592/call-action-climate-justice-action-netwo

By: Gareth

Gareth — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:05:55 +0000

I think Steve’s forgotten to take his medicine…

By: Steve Wrathall

Steve Wrathall — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:54:17 +0000

NEWSFLASH: There are many reasons why people would want to relocate from Thailand to the U.K.
BUT CLIMATE AIN’T ONE OF THEM.