Comments on: Fight back, scientists urged

By: Whoops

Whoops — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:23:56 +0000

“Adolf Hitler would have been proud of you Gareth”

Godwin’d on the first post? That’s got to be some sort of record.

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By: Macro

Macro — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:47:48 +0000

You haven’t gone yet?

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By: RW

RW — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:32:21 +0000

So go!

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By: Dr Checkzor

Dr Checkzor — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:31:35 +0000

Oops, one more thing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/envi.....nge-threat

“Nearly half of Americans believe climate change threat is exaggerated”

All I can suggest is, like the article says, fight back and bury them in data.

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By: Dr Checkzor

Dr Checkzor — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:18:52 +0000

“But how would you know?. You don’t have any confidence (let alone understanding) in peer reviewed science remember?.”

This is a never ending circular argument

Like Phil, I am outta here. better stuff to do

http://sweasel.com/wp-content/.....carbon.jpg

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By: Phil Scadden

Phil Scadden — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:04:30 +0000

There is a problem here I dont know how to answer. Montford publishes a racy read which those disinclined to AGW lap up. Checkzor, like many others concludes science is dodgy. Science can only point to the published research – but then if you believe Montford or Fuller, then you think they are crap anyway. If you published a demolition of it, would anyone read it? Meanwhile, emissions continue and earth keeps warming… Is there some point at which excuses run out and how much damage will be done before we get there.

I’m outta here – too much time for nothing.

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By: Dappledwater

Dappledwater — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:55:07 +0000

“Tell me that The Hockey Stick Illusion” – DrC

http://www.skepticalscience.co.....-stick.htm

“Tell me why it gets 21 5 star reviews” – DrC

Errrrr……….because it ain’t Paleoclimatologists reviewing it?.

“Tell me why the “scientists” keep defending Mann.” – Dr C

Because the study has been validated by scientific evaluation. See link above.

“I don’t doubt there is a lot of valid research, but if scientists keep defending shoddy work” – Dr C

But how would you know?. You don’t have any confidence (let alone understanding) in peer reviewed science remember?.

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By: Dr Checkzor

Dr Checkzor — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:33:36 +0000

I am not particularly interested in whether CO2 is warming the planet to be perfectly honest.

I am just tired of this recycled garbage that is called science.

Tell me that The Hockey Stick Illusion, which goes into a lot of detail about R2 and RE statistics and multiple proxy sets, and why they are invalid, is a waste of time.
Tell me why it gets 21 5 star reviews

Tell me why the “scientists” keep defending Mann.

We get sick of this closed shop mentality. I don’t doubt there is a lot of valid research, but if scientists keep defending shoddy work then us “trolls” keep biting back..

*snap*

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By: Phil Scadden

Phil Scadden — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:28:31 +0000

Checkzor – did I say it was not relevant? Paleoclimate has quite a degree of importance in validation and constraint but you are continually putting up views that are both long debunked nonsense and irrelevant to the question of basis for AGW. The riddles in paleoclimate are about what both the past temperature was (which is constantly revised as new data comes to hand – should science stand still on this?) and what the forcing in the past were. If model-response to forcings within model uncertainty dont match estimated past global temperature within uncertainty, then model is wrong – but this is certainly not the case.

Now tell me how a steady measured 4W/m2 of extra warming is not going to warm the planet.

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By: Dr Checkzor

Dr Checkzor — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:26:41 +0000

Since this thread started with the article about the “email vandals”, why did the BBC sit on the emails for a month before they were ftp’d up to the russian server?

Why didn’t they release them to Gavin so he could get the “official” take on the emails before the denier trolls Mosher and Fuller got their book to print?

And when is the “official” version of the emails book coming out?

Because, as we know, everything the denier trolls says has an equal and opposite argument from the establishment.

Anyway, who said I was a denier? I am reading IPCC WG3 right now

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