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		<title>By: A Tipping Point is reached but still no action &#171; Less than 2 Degrees</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/count-to-ten/#comment-16098</link>
		<dc:creator>A Tipping Point is reached but still no action &#171; Less than 2 Degrees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 23:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has released their 2009 state of the climate report documenting 10 key indicators, each supported by multiple datasets, which unequivocally show the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/count-to-ten/#comment-15987</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...what Carol said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;what Carol said!</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/count-to-ten/#comment-15986</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Fone and Wrathall back? Idiocy is alive and well. Give over with your blinkered ideological rants, Wrathall. You can&#039;t change reality just because self-styled libertarians have no anwers to these problems in their philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Fone and Wrathall back? Idiocy is alive and well. Give over with your blinkered ideological rants, Wrathall. You can&#8217;t change reality just because self-styled libertarians have no anwers to these problems in their philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dappledwater</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/count-to-ten/#comment-15985</link>
		<dc:creator>Dappledwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol, I can assure you there is very much, that Joe Fone doesn&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol, I can assure you there is very much, that Joe Fone doesn&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Cowan</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/count-to-ten/#comment-15984</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Fone/AGWcynic, I am afraid you don&#039;t understand the difference between an overwhelming majority of published research (a consensus) and a questionaire (a poll).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Fone/AGWcynic, I am afraid you don&#8217;t understand the difference between an overwhelming majority of published research (a consensus) and a questionaire (a poll).</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Fone</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/count-to-ten/#comment-15983</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Fone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Since when has science been done by polling?&quot; --Bill

Pot, kettle and black!

Now Bill I thought that&#039;s what your mythical &quot;consensus&quot; was all about! A show of hands. That&#039;s what you alarmist nutters have been banging on about for years. The so-called &quot;consensus&quot; has been a cornerstone of your defence (because the science has doesn&#039;t support you)!

So I guess a show of hands is fine when it suits. But if it goes against you, it doesn&#039;t count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Since when has science been done by polling?&#8221; &#8211;Bill</p>
<p>Pot, kettle and black!</p>
<p>Now Bill I thought that&#8217;s what your mythical &#8220;consensus&#8221; was all about! A show of hands. That&#8217;s what you alarmist nutters have been banging on about for years. The so-called &#8220;consensus&#8221; has been a cornerstone of your defence (because the science has doesn&#8217;t support you)!</p>
<p>So I guess a show of hands is fine when it suits. But if it goes against you, it doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/count-to-ten/#comment-15981</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way: AGWCynic appears to be Joe Fone. Joe: please use one consistent posting name, so that we all know who we&#039;re talking to. If you can&#039;t manage that, I&#039;ll have to put you on moderation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way: AGWCynic appears to be Joe Fone. Joe: please use one consistent posting name, so that we all know who we&#8217;re talking to. If you can&#8217;t manage that, I&#8217;ll have to put you on moderation.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/count-to-ten/#comment-15980</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the Nova link - one, that&#039;s a remarkably slow response to the Skeptical Science counter-contrarian iPhone app (now available for Android and Nokia mobile) that&#039;s been around for ages. I&#039;m sure &#039;the kids&#039; will be endlessly impressed!...

Two, it&#039;s remarkable that the screen shots  for the app displayed on Nova&#039;s site prominently feature polling results. Since when has science been done by polling? Success in disinformation programs scarcely proves anything, though it fits well with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s2968532.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this report&lt;/a&gt;, that highlights that 30% of Australians now think dinosaurs and humans co-existed. 

Hooray for dumbing-down; that&#039;ll teach all those elitist Commie brainiacs!... Everyone&#039;s a scientist!

Speaking of which, the spectacle of Herman and Pielke Sr. trying to patiently explain - along with Spencer - that, yes, there really &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a Greenhouse effect to the gang &lt;a href=&quot;http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/23/quantifying-the-greenhouse-effect/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at WUWT&lt;/a&gt; makes for an &#039;enlightening&#039; read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the Nova link &#8211; one, that&#8217;s a remarkably slow response to the Skeptical Science counter-contrarian iPhone app (now available for Android and Nokia mobile) that&#8217;s been around for ages. I&#8217;m sure &#8216;the kids&#8217; will be endlessly impressed!&#8230;</p>
<p>Two, it&#8217;s remarkable that the screen shots  for the app displayed on Nova&#8217;s site prominently feature polling results. Since when has science been done by polling? Success in disinformation programs scarcely proves anything, though it fits well with <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s2968532.htm" rel="nofollow">this report</a>, that highlights that 30% of Australians now think dinosaurs and humans co-existed. </p>
<p>Hooray for dumbing-down; that&#8217;ll teach all those elitist Commie brainiacs!&#8230; Everyone&#8217;s a scientist!</p>
<p>Speaking of which, the spectacle of Herman and Pielke Sr. trying to patiently explain &#8211; along with Spencer &#8211; that, yes, there really <i>is</i> a Greenhouse effect to the gang <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/23/quantifying-the-greenhouse-effect/" rel="nofollow">at WUWT</a> makes for an &#8216;enlightening&#8217; read.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/count-to-ten/#comment-15979</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see - because the person &lt;i&gt;presenting&lt;/i&gt; the information from NOAA&#039;s report said &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weather.com/blog/weather/8_11392.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; in 2006 (hint, find the source, not the spin, Steve!), therefore you don&#039;t have to listen? Therefore NOAA is wrong? 

The actual report was put together by 300+ scientists in 160 research groups in 48 countries - what a blessing to have some simple, ostrich metric to avoid having to confront it all! How terribly convenient!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see &#8211; because the person <i>presenting</i> the information from NOAA&#8217;s report said <a href="http://www.weather.com/blog/weather/8_11392.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> in 2006 (hint, find the source, not the spin, Steve!), therefore you don&#8217;t have to listen? Therefore NOAA is wrong? </p>
<p>The actual report was put together by 300+ scientists in 160 research groups in 48 countries &#8211; what a blessing to have some simple, ostrich metric to avoid having to confront it all! How terribly convenient!</p>
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		<title>By: AGWCynic</title>
		<link>http://hot-topic.co.nz/count-to-ten/#comment-15978</link>
		<dc:creator>AGWCynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, &quot;Behind the scenes a veritable whoâ€™s-who of the skeptical world has been working away on yet another way to reach people, especially young people.&quot;

Enjoy!

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/our-climate-the-iphone-ap-for-climate-realists/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, &#8220;Behind the scenes a veritable whoâ€™s-who of the skeptical world has been working away on yet another way to reach people, especially young people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Enjoy!</p>
<p><a href="http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/our-climate-the-iphone-ap-for-climate-realists/" rel="nofollow">http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/our-climate-the-iphone-ap-for-climate-realists/</a></p>
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