Comments on: Chris hates Greenpeace http://hot-topic.co.nz/chris-hates-greenpeace/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=chris-hates-greenpeace Global warming and the future of New Zealand Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:00:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Doug Mackie http://hot-topic.co.nz/chris-hates-greenpeace/comment-page-1/#comment-402 Doug Mackie Thu, 22 May 2008 21:05:55 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=263#comment-402 Yep. I'll make pdfs of the slides today and see if I can't hang them off the Otago website. Details later. Yep.
I’ll make pdfs of the slides today and see if I can’t hang them off the Otago website. Details later.

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]]> By: fragment http://hot-topic.co.nz/chris-hates-greenpeace/comment-page-1/#comment-401 fragment Thu, 22 May 2008 05:20:05 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=263#comment-401 Well I popped in and caught the tail end, it seemed like an interesting seminar. Any chance of putting the material online somewhere? Well I popped in and caught the tail end, it seemed like an interesting seminar. Any chance of putting the material online somewhere?

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]]> By: fragment http://hot-topic.co.nz/chris-hates-greenpeace/comment-page-1/#comment-403 fragment Wed, 21 May 2008 23:41:37 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=263#comment-403 Doug, you've got to give more notice than that! I've been knocking around campus since 11 with nothing much to do, I would have gone but now I can only catch the last 5 minutes... Doug, you’ve got to give more notice than that! I’ve been knocking around campus since 11 with nothing much to do, I would have gone but now I can only catch the last 5 minutes…

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]]> By: Doug Mackie http://hot-topic.co.nz/chris-hates-greenpeace/comment-page-1/#comment-404 Doug Mackie Wed, 21 May 2008 22:17:36 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=263#comment-404 Quick Gisela, If you are in Dunedin you have 45 minutes to make it to my seminar to the Department of Statistics about some recent articles by Chris de Freitas (and other NZCSC members). Title: 110% confidence tricks: The misuse of statistics in the "debate" about climate change. St David lecture theatre 6. Today at 11 Quick Gisela,

If you are in Dunedin you have 45 minutes to make it to my seminar to the Department of Statistics about some recent articles by Chris de Freitas (and other NZCSC members). Title: 110% confidence tricks: The misuse of statistics in the “debate” about climate change.

St David lecture theatre 6. Today at 11

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]]> By: Stephen http://hot-topic.co.nz/chris-hates-greenpeace/comment-page-1/#comment-400 Stephen Tue, 20 May 2008 08:50:35 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=263#comment-400 ...so you don't know, yet you do know? …so you don’t know, yet you do know?

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]]> By: Gisela Jordan http://hot-topic.co.nz/chris-hates-greenpeace/comment-page-1/#comment-399 Gisela Jordan Tue, 20 May 2008 08:11:33 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=263#comment-399 Chris de Freitas rocks! I am not an academic in the field at all, but one thing is certain: we (humans) have not been here long enough to know for sure. Chris knows very well what he is talking about. Time will prove him right! Chris de Freitas rocks!
I am not an academic in the field at all, but one thing is certain: we (humans) have not been here long enough to know for sure.
Chris knows very well what he is talking about. Time will prove him right!

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]]> By: Andrew W http://hot-topic.co.nz/chris-hates-greenpeace/comment-page-1/#comment-395 Andrew W Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:51:21 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=263#comment-395 Dave, it's been sometime since I visited the NZ CSC site so I was happy to hear that they were at last using some science in their media releases. You can only imagine my disappointment at being unable to find the media releases that you refer to, perhaps you could post a link to this good science? Dave, it’s been sometime since I visited the NZ CSC site so I was happy to hear that they were at last using some science in their media releases.
You can only imagine my disappointment at being unable to find the media releases that you refer to, perhaps you could post a link to this good science?

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]]> By: gareth http://hot-topic.co.nz/chris-hates-greenpeace/comment-page-1/#comment-394 gareth Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:35:18 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=263#comment-394 Steve: you must have studied somewhere remarkable. Dave: I wasn't comparing the NZ CSC to Greenpeace, merely pointing out CdF's diatribe against environmentalists, and his factual errors. I have to say, though, that the Greenpeace material I've seen shows a considerably better understanding of the science than <strong>anything</strong> issued by the NZ CSC. Steve: you must have studied somewhere remarkable.

Dave: I wasn’t comparing the NZ CSC to Greenpeace, merely pointing out CdF’s diatribe against environmentalists, and his factual errors. I have to say, though, that the Greenpeace material I’ve seen shows a considerably better understanding of the science than anything issued by the NZ CSC.

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]]> By: Dave McArthur http://hot-topic.co.nz/chris-hates-greenpeace/comment-page-1/#comment-396 Dave McArthur Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:46:40 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=263#comment-396 I did not find this article edifying. I do not hate Greenpeace - indeed I really enjoy all the Greenpeace activists I chat with over the years. This said I have studied Greenpeace communications -as I have studied many other similar organisations - and I have concluded Greenpeace is one of our greatest obstacles to public comprehension of how our climate works and how the activities of humans impact on climate balances. The fundamental reason why Greenpeace is such an obstacle is that it lacks science. We see it in this article too where “warming” is confused with warming up and “climate change” is confused with a human-induced thermal build-up of the atmosphere. Greenpeace activists have explained to me that they have to use such terms if they are to communicate to the public because they need to use “concise catchy phrases” and “to speak in the language the public understands”. There is something hopeless in those explanations and they certainly do not evidence positive activism. The truth is non-science generates non-science. Analysis of some of the past NZ Climate Science Coalition* media releases indicate they often evidence a greater understanding of simple thermodynamics than found in Greenpeace releases. Arguably the NZ Climate Science Coalition is less of a risk to our children than Greenpeace. Note * Greenpeace is incorrect to call it the NZ Climate “Science” Coalition. I respect Greenpeace even if I do not think it very “green” and I question whether it promotes “peace”. May you know the joy and hope of science, Dave McArthur I did not find this article edifying. I do not hate Greenpeace – indeed I really enjoy all the Greenpeace activists I chat with over the years. This said I have studied Greenpeace communications -as I have studied many other similar organisations – and I have concluded Greenpeace is one of our greatest obstacles to public comprehension of how our climate works and how the activities of humans impact on climate balances.

The fundamental reason why Greenpeace is such an obstacle is that it lacks science. We see it in this article too where “warming” is confused with warming up and “climate change” is confused with a human-induced thermal build-up of the atmosphere. Greenpeace activists have explained to me that they have to use such terms if they are to communicate to the public because they need to use “concise catchy phrases” and “to speak in the language the public understands”. There is something hopeless in those explanations and they certainly do not evidence positive activism. The truth is non-science generates non-science.

Analysis of some of the past NZ Climate Science Coalition* media releases indicate they often evidence a greater understanding of simple thermodynamics than found in Greenpeace releases. Arguably the NZ Climate Science Coalition is less of a risk to our children than Greenpeace.

Note * Greenpeace is incorrect to call it the NZ Climate “Science” Coalition. I respect Greenpeace even if I do not think it very “green” and I question whether it promotes “peace”.

May you know the joy and hope of science,

Dave McArthur

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]]> By: steve http://hot-topic.co.nz/chris-hates-greenpeace/comment-page-1/#comment-398 steve Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:28:56 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=263#comment-398 Having just finished a physics degree, I have yet to encounter any lecturer who believes in global warming and the alleged ensuing catastrophe. All of them regard it as spurious at best. Global warming is about as real as international terrorism. Having just finished a physics degree, I have yet to encounter any lecturer who believes in global warming and the alleged ensuing catastrophe. All of them regard it as spurious at best. Global warming is about as real as international terrorism.

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