Comments on: Censoring Science

By: Bryan Walker

Bryan Walker — Sat, 02 Oct 2010 18:30:06 +0000

Tom, Griffin was certainly inclined to the denial camp. Bowen reports remarks he made to a reporter on radio in 2007. After acknowledging that a trend of global warming exists he said: “To assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of Earth’s climate today is the optimal climate…and that we need to take steps to make sure it doesn’t change…I think that’s a rather arrogant position for people to take.” One prominent scientist said Griffin’s remarks demonstrated that he was either “totally clueless” or “a deep anti-global warming ideologue”.

By: tomfarmer

tomfarmer — Sat, 02 Oct 2010 07:51:41 +0000

Bryan,

this comment is way late on the topic but when I looked over one of the links to Bowen he came up with a guy called Griffin @ NASA (a bushtail appointee) who I was pretty sure backed to Reagan’s Starwars thing.

why worth mentioning.. for me at anyrate, it’s that Mirowski (qv Mashey)has a pretty detailed proposition on how scientists employed in the Milz-Industrial-Complex (ie Baliunas, Singer, Seitz et al) were pushed out when Starwars failed and ended up in the GMI for instance on a contention beat against climate scientists the new boys on the block.

To me it adds a sensible edge for why a kind of scifight could and would be set up by MIC people. Griffin looks infill, as it were, and likely well-placed to operate political circuits alongside these displaced ‘physicists’.

mebbe useful..

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By: jonno

jonno — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:37:00 +0000

It already has…

By: Ayrdale

Ayrdale — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:30:25 +0000

Time will tell…

By: jonno

jonno — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:27:40 +0000

What invigorates me and keeps me going is that you, Ayrdale and others like you, like claiming this. Yet, any ‘evidence’ you bring to the table has already been disproven. Is you (I doubt you or Chris can) bring any new evidence to the table, and then you may be right. The ironic thing is, it is your so called evidence that has holes in it.

That is my point, and itâ€™s self evident.

By: Ayrdale

Ayrdale — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:16:02 +0000

Thank you I’ve had a look at those.
What impresses me most in the thread of WattsupWithThat are the comments and debate.
What invigorates me and keeps me going is that you Bryan and others on this site are dogmatic and convinced that the debate is over, when any interested person can see, read and hear that it plainly is not over.
Chris de Freitas and many hundreds of other scientists continue to punch holes in the mantra that rising atmospheric CO2 causes rising global temperatures.
Scientific studies underway right now will continue to enlarge our knowledge (I refer to ARGOS, the Ibuki satellite and the CERN Cloud studies as 3 of many) and the results from these will aid our understanding of climate mechanisms.
With developing knowledge we can make progress. We certainly can’t make any progress as a nation or a species by claiming the issue is settled, and the debate finished.
That is my point, and it’s self evident.

By: Bryan Walker

Bryan Walker — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:27:56 +0000

Ayrdale, your “wonderful” wattsupwiththat thread is about a NASA scientist John Theon who retired 15 years ago and was never Hansen’s boss. Have a look at a couple of Gavin Schmidt’s comments on Real Climate – it won’t take long:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/01/warm-reception-to-antarctic-warming-story/#comment-110819
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/01/warm-reception-to-antarctic-warming-story/#comment-110917