Comments on: Bum notes from the Brill building (and a question for the minister) http://hot-topic.co.nz/bum-notes-from-the-brill-building-and-a-question-for-the-minister/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=bum-notes-from-the-brill-building-and-a-question-for-the-minister Global warming and the future of New Zealand Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:26:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Gluckman: climate denial undermines all science — Hot Topic http://hot-topic.co.nz/bum-notes-from-the-brill-building-and-a-question-for-the-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-13903 Gluckman: climate denial undermines all science — Hot Topic Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:02:13 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=4904#comment-13903 [...] might ruffle a few feathers. I suspect a pop-gun broadside will be on its way from Barry Brill in the near future. In reality, Gluckman is being rather [...] [...] might ruffle a few feathers. I suspect a pop-gun broadside will be on its way from Barry Brill in the near future. In reality, Gluckman is being rather [...]

]]> By: Gareth http://hot-topic.co.nz/bum-notes-from-the-brill-building-and-a-question-for-the-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-13154 Gareth Thu, 20 May 2010 20:44:31 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=4904#comment-13154 Excellent, John. Very glad to hear it. But I am concerned for your numeracy, because that's a fourth option. I do hope you have a better handle on the costs the ETS will impose. Excellent, John. Very glad to hear it. But I am concerned for your numeracy, because that's a fourth option. I do hope you have a better handle on the costs the ETS will impose.

]]> By: John Boscawen http://hot-topic.co.nz/bum-notes-from-the-brill-building-and-a-question-for-the-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-13153 John Boscawen Thu, 20 May 2010 20:34:09 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=4904#comment-13153 You forgot a third option Gareth. I could have paid myself. You forgot a third option Gareth. I could have paid myself.

]]> By: Doug_Mackie http://hot-topic.co.nz/bum-notes-from-the-brill-building-and-a-question-for-the-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-13150 Doug_Mackie Thu, 20 May 2010 09:14:11 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=4904#comment-13150 From our Bazza - as you say in the footsteps of teh grating Bob Carter. (submission to Feb 2009 Select Commitee) "Despite the predictions of the computer models, there has been no warming this century. After cooling from 1940 to 1975, the global warming trend peaked during the 1998 El Nino." (submission to ETS Select Commitee October 2009) "The cooling of the last 11 years is incompatible with model projections." Actually, now I think of it, admitting that 1998 was high due to El Nino is not Bob Carter's style at all. Come on Baz, get with Bob's program. Bazza has plenty of other howlers for giggles. Read 'em and weep. Both have fullsome CVs attached. Read em' and giggle. <a href="http:\/\/www.parliament.nz\/en-NZ\/PB\/SC\/Documents\/Evidence\/8\/5\/9\/49SCFE_EVI_00DBHOH_BILL9597_1_A14298-Barry-E-Brill.htm" target="_blank"> October 2009</a> <a href="http:\/\/www.parliament.nz\/en-NZ\/PB\/SC\/Documents\/Evidence\/b\/7\/b\/49SCETSSCevidenceETSR_277-Barry-E-Brill.htm" target="_blank"> Feb 2009</a> From our Bazza – as you say in the footsteps of teh grating Bob Carter.

(submission to Feb 2009 Select Commitee)
"Despite the predictions of the computer models, there has been no warming this century. After cooling from 1940 to 1975, the global warming trend peaked during the 1998 El Nino."

(submission to ETS Select Commitee October 2009)
"The cooling of the last 11 years is incompatible with model projections."

Actually, now I think of it, admitting that 1998 was high due to El Nino is not Bob Carter's style at all. Come on Baz, get with Bob's program.

Bazza has plenty of other howlers for giggles. Read 'em and weep. Both have fullsome CVs attached. Read em' and giggle.

October 2009 Feb 2009

]]> By: Gareth http://hot-topic.co.nz/bum-notes-from-the-brill-building-and-a-question-for-the-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-13134 Gareth Wed, 19 May 2010 08:38:02 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=4904#comment-13134 Treadgold demonstrates his inability to read: <blockquote>NIWA’s figures for 2005, that show the national average temperature was 13.1°C, the same as during the 1860s. That’s a fact. Will Gareth tell us why he scoffed at that fact?</blockquote> If that diligent seeker for the truth, R Treadgold esq, had followed the relevant <a href="http://hot-topic.co.nz/i-cant-tell-the-bottom-from-the-top/" rel="nofollow">link</a> in my post, he would find that the comparison is bogus. Leyland/Brill/Treadgold are comparing apples and oranges, and ending up with a fruit salad they seem to find tasty. To the rest of us, it looks like simple incompetence. Or politically motivated misdirection. He's certainly skilled at that. And for the record, I am most certainly not implying that the seven station record is somehow indefensible. In fact I expect that when NIWA's team have finished reconstructing the series from first principles, the differences between it and Jim Salinger's original version will be inconsequential. Treadgold demonstrates his inability to read:

NIWA’s figures for 2005, that show the national average temperature was 13.1°C, the same as during the 1860s. That’s a fact. Will Gareth tell us why he scoffed at that fact?

If that diligent seeker for the truth, R Treadgold esq, had followed the relevant link in my post, he would find that the comparison is bogus. Leyland/Brill/Treadgold are comparing apples and oranges, and ending up with a fruit salad they seem to find tasty. To the rest of us, it looks like simple incompetence. Or politically motivated misdirection. He's certainly skilled at that.

And for the record, I am most certainly not implying that the seven station record is somehow indefensible. In fact I expect that when NIWA's team have finished reconstructing the series from first principles, the differences between it and Jim Salinger's original version will be inconsequential.

]]> By: Gareth http://hot-topic.co.nz/bum-notes-from-the-brill-building-and-a-question-for-the-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-13110 Gareth Tue, 18 May 2010 20:46:18 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=4904#comment-13110 Interesting: it appears from John Boscawen's <a href="http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/johnboscawenmp" target="_blank">Facebook page</a> that he's in Chicago for the Heartland climate crank conference. Apart from noting that he's in good company. I am bound to wonder how his trip was funded. Did he accept funding from Heartland? Did the ACT coffers stump up, or is the NZ taxpayer footing the bill? I hope it's not the latter... Interesting: it appears from John Boscawen's Facebook page that he's in Chicago for the Heartland climate crank conference. Apart from noting that he's in good company. I am bound to wonder how his trip was funded. Did he accept funding from Heartland? Did the ACT coffers stump up, or is the NZ taxpayer footing the bill? I hope it's not the latter…

]]> By: Gareth http://hot-topic.co.nz/bum-notes-from-the-brill-building-and-a-question-for-the-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-13109 Gareth Tue, 18 May 2010 20:43:08 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=4904#comment-13109 It "suggests" nothing of the sort. NIWA does hugely valuable work (see the recent guidance to local authorities on flood risk, for instance). The NZ long term temp series is only a tiny part of what it does -- and far from being the poster child for global warming that Hide/Boscawen/Brill/Treadgold want you to believe. It "suggests" nothing of the sort. NIWA does hugely valuable work (see the recent guidance to local authorities on flood risk, for instance). The NZ long term temp series is only a tiny part of what it does — and far from being the poster child for global warming that Hide/Boscawen/Brill/Treadgold want you to believe.

]]> By: Gareth http://hot-topic.co.nz/bum-notes-from-the-brill-building-and-a-question-for-the-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-13108 Gareth Tue, 18 May 2010 20:40:23 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=4904#comment-13108 "Retaining documentation"? That's a red herring. What Jim S did is described in his PhD thesis. The idea that NIWA should somehow have kept Salinger's notebooks or whatever he used when doing the calculations, 15 years before the organisation even came into being is a ridiculous construct dreamed up by Treadgold and pushed by Boscawen & Hide. David Cunliffe and Gerry Brownlee both objected to Hide's remarks on the grounds they were an unwarranted attack on a member of the public, and the speaker ruled Hide out of order. You can read the transcript, linked in my earlier comment. "Retaining documentation"? That's a red herring. What Jim S did is described in his PhD thesis. The idea that NIWA should somehow have kept Salinger's notebooks or whatever he used when doing the calculations, 15 years before the organisation even came into being is a ridiculous construct dreamed up by Treadgold and pushed by Boscawen & Hide.

David Cunliffe and Gerry Brownlee both objected to Hide's remarks on the grounds they were an unwarranted attack on a member of the public, and the speaker ruled Hide out of order. You can read the transcript, linked in my earlier comment.

]]> By: RW1 http://hot-topic.co.nz/bum-notes-from-the-brill-building-and-a-question-for-the-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-13107 RW1 Tue, 18 May 2010 19:58:14 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=4904#comment-13107 Back with your drivel again? This ground has already been well-covered. Stop parrotting this garbage, sock puppet. Incidentally, the notion that the Alps and Westland have got drier is palpably false. Back with your drivel again? This ground has already been well-covered. Stop parrotting this garbage, sock puppet.

Incidentally, the notion that the Alps and Westland have got drier is palpably false.

]]> By: ctg http://hot-topic.co.nz/bum-notes-from-the-brill-building-and-a-question-for-the-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-13106 ctg Tue, 18 May 2010 19:30:32 +0000 http://hot-topic.co.nz/?p=4904#comment-13106 Yes, obviously the concept of <i>global</i> warming is a bit of a struggle for you. Yes, obviously the concept of global warming is a bit of a struggle for you.

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