There's hardly a thing you've posted that isn't right out of the denialist hymn book. We've heard them all before. I was going to ask where you got your information from, but the answers are obvious.

If you were open-minded, and genuinely wanting to discuss the science, there might be some value to you in spending time on a site like this. If you just want to re-animate the zombie arguments, that's a waste of time for us, and a loss to you.

Supports my model of who you are – which may be wrong but the facts so far, what you spout forth, unfortunately don't help your case.

How about I trump you and say I started decades ago – whatever…

SA is not NZ – SA will have its own droughts, famines, flies, floods and fires to deal with.

My point was that there are many things that people can and are doing at a personal level and that together that can achieve more than money, PR and marketing.

How do you know my opinions on AGW? As it happens, I do think we have a problem.

My opinion on the "team" of Jones and Mann is that they are fourth rate scientists who don't stand up top scrutiny. But that's just my opinion based on what I have read over the years.

It doesn't mean that I don't have a view on AGW or ETS. But, since your world is all about goodies and baddies, then I am obviously one of the latter. So call me a "denier" if it makes it easier to hate me.

When you put your scientists on a pedestal and worship them, you are a religious cult.

I am so glad that you have stopped flying/ started growing veggies, bought a bike or whatever. Just don't bore me about it .I did most of those things (except flying) years ago.

No one came back ot me on the SA coal station story, also covered on Pielke's Jr s blog. This will obiliterate any savings NZ makes in WEEKS.

I hope the brown shirts and armbands fit everyone.

Very informative exercise to see how "Alex B" was flushed out.
I initially read his posts carefully, but by the end it is obvious he is part of the "echo chamber", and quickly found myself discarding his contributions – he had lost his cred. and joined Cp3O in the electronic compost…

Another thought was that "alarmists" are akin to people who seek to advocate for the "commons". As such it is very difficult to get significant funding for PR, marketing etc compare to those who are/will make a buck from the situation.

Implies this is a problem, this is an opportunity… Perhaps it is the growing of a more resilient community, one not focused on money.

Yes the personal sacrifice described by Tom and WTD resonates for me. I too have stopped flying – switched from Koru Gold to no flights and now Skype/WebEx or if really required drive or train. I have my collaborative office in the cloud. (I am deeply involved in nonfossil energy.)

The size of the lawn decreases and the vegy patch grows. I am now getting ready to winter over about 200 native trees as we prepare for a spring planting to add to the 100s of thousands of trees we have already planted.

Yes Garth, WTD and Co you are an inspiration to me, and like tomfarmer I wait to see your take on any thing related to the Climate discussion.

Your time put into this is not wasted on me

Sincere thanks

what are you trying to construct? a house of cards? a web of lies?

you are not the droid we're looking for C3P0, move along.

Exactly right. Every email sent answering to deniers (including this email) is time wasted and we have much more important things to do.

Denial isnt going to go away. In a few short months it will simply take on a new form. Probably geoengineering.

There isnt going to be a magic 'aha' moment when everyone gets it, and deniers appear sobbing on TV and admitting their errors.

Lets get on with things that are a step change in the debate and make deniers irrelevant. They only have traction now because they are the only ones that are prepared to state radical preferences in the debate.

My idea is campaign to get all nonessential flights out the sky. Now.

But how about a statement from all academics, churches, scientists, doctors, lawyers, public servants urging immediate action on climate change?

Let me put it this way. If a group picketed and shut down the airport. Would the media ask deniers for a comment? No, they would ask academics whether the science justified such a stance. See, you move the debate.

My recent post Travel industry imagines a world with far fewer flights